Is anyone tired of this yet?

[sloth]

So you have just bought your new 3D game. You're all excited about it. Just for example, we'll call this game... uhh.. MYST 3 & 4! :mad: You pay about 80 bucks for both of these games together, and take them home and install them. You meet all installation requirements. There's one thing they don't mention on the box, however. They don't support any sort of inverted mouse feature! Now to look up, you have to slide your mouse forward! 80 dollars down the drain.
This may seem like a small problem for you non-inverts, but imagine being FORCED to play a game with an inverted mouse. I've been playing with an inverted mouse ever since Duke Nukem. Now, some video game company doesn't put forth the effort, and doesn't care enough to add a feature that will let the OTHER HALF of the gaming community enjoy this game, and I have to adjust the way I've been playing video games for the last 10 YEARS?? . After all of these years, trying to play with a non-inverted mouse, is like trying to write with my left hand! I can't do it, and I shouldn't have to!
To name another, Microsoft's FreeLancer, the first FLYING game I've ever seen that didn't support a joystick, OR an inverted mouse. Something went seriously wrong during the creation of this video game.
How long would it have taken Microsoft, or Ubisoft to add this feature? An extra day? If they hired monkeys to do it?
Any 3D game, ESPECIALLY if it's a flying game, that doesn't have an inverted mouse feature should be recalled, until it can be COMPLETED! I tried contacting both companies about the 100 dollars that I spent on these games that are worthless to me, but they both seemed very unsupportive. I guess that since I don't play games the way they think that I should, I should adjust MY way of playing MY games, and PAY THEM FOR THE INCONVEINIENCE.
Does anyone else have this problem too? Or has everyone just bent over and taken it :moon: from these non-inverts?
-sloth

[OldsterHolster]

I, too, have always inverted the mouse y axis, and I can't play a game, either, if I can't change it. I just play single-player shooters, and I haven't come across a game that I couldn't make this adjustment, so far. If I did, I'm sure I'd be doing some very loud complaining. In fact, I'm playing Gun, now, and it took me a little while to figure out how to invert the movement, and I was really starting to get upset.

I've wondered how many other people prefer this adjustment. Maybe someone should do a poll. Edward.

[Circlebreaker]

I never used the inverted mouse option, but I can imagine how terribly annying it must be not to be able to change it if you are used to it. It's basically not something that's very difficult to implement, so leaving the option out is inexcusable imo.

[Chylde Roland]

yeah, I find it quite frustrating, I usually use the inverted mouse, too.

[sloth]

Thanks for your support guys. It would be nice to find a program that would invert my mouse by itself, running in the background, for all of those games, whose makers are incompetant.

[0x64657200 0x6A61636B616C00]

Sit on your head while you play. ;)

Seriously though, there are wasy around this, what kind of mouse do you have?

[OldsterHolster]

Hey, Gen-X, is there some way to invert the mouse y-axis in Windows, somehow? I kinda doubt it, but, if anyone would know, it would be you. Heh, heh. Edward.

[Stiler]

I guess i'm one of the few who's able to use both whenever I need to?

I use inverted mouse for flying games, among similar "sim" type games and misc ones, but I use regular mouse up=up, down=down, for fps games, rpgs, etc.

Still, I could see how it'd get very annoying if you're used to one and can't change it, I hate when RTS games don't offer a way to change the camera controls to w/s/a/d but force you to use arrows, whos till uses arrows?

[Torsion]

Just take 15 minutes and get used to the regular mouse.

[RangerRick]

whos till uses arrows?

Works great if you're lefthanded, like most other 'intelligent' gamers. :lol:

If you're right handed, I can understand how that sucks!

There should be a box in games that asks 'are you left or righ handed?'. you check the appropriate box, and the keyboard is configured to a default setting for either/or.

[0x64657200 0x6A61636B616C00]

Hey, Gen-X, is there some way to invert the mouse y-axis in Windows, somehow? I kinda doubt it, but, if anyone would know, it would be you. Heh, heh. Edward.

Some mouse allow you to invert the x/y with a dialog box in the mouse properties UI, others you have to do some registry tweaking which is why I asked what mouse he was using.

If it's a Logitech there's a property that you can set to invert x/y in the registry. You can turn it on and off for the games you.

Outside of that, it wouldn't take much for somebody to write a small little service that inverted the input from a Mouse. It would actually surprise me if somebody hadn't done it already.

[Jaffa]

Shoot me if I don't get this inverted mouse thing. You play a shooter and want to look up so you move the mouse forward (up) to look up. That's normal right. I haven't played Myst but I'm guessing it's similar to this since you mentioned looking around. Isn't mouse forward supposed to equal up.

Now if you use a mouse for flying I may understand wanting to invert it. Please explain your issue so I understand it. Right now I'm not getting it and I'm sure I'm missing something simple.

[OldsterHolster]

You're not missing anything. It's just the way you learn, or what you prefer. I am a pilot, so pushing forward to go up seems backwards, whether in a plane or with the mouse. It's like turning the steering wheel to the right to turn left, and while pushing forward to look up is the default setting, I don't consider it "normal," at all. All we are saying is that we should always have the choice. Edward.

[sloth]

OldsterHolster is right. There is no CORRECT play to move your mouse.
For Jaffa to say that ANYthing is "normal" is no more correct than if I said that a certain nationality was "normal". For you to say 'isn't forward supposed to equal up' shows exactly why so many people have this problem. I'm not trying to attack you, Jaffa, but some people assume that there is only one way to play. WHY should forward equal up? I think it would be different if we were actually moving our mouse UP and DOWN, but we're not. (Cus that would really suck. :(: ) All we are doing is moving it forward or backwards. Who can say one way or another how a person is SUPPOSED to interpret something like that? Don't tell me how I'm SUPPOSED to play. :wink: lol
I don't know what Torsion is talking about. I'm using a 'regular' mouse. It has buttons and everything. *shrug*
0x64657200 0x6A61636B616C00, I'm useing a Logitech something or another cordless, rechargeable, optical mouse, and cordless keyboard with all the features. There has to be something in the options, right? I'll look for them.
The thought of possibly inverting my mouse through the options is kind of exciting. Even if I have to learn to operate my mouse CURSOR backwards, at least I won't have to use my crosshair backwards, which is a lot more uncomfortable.
Thanks, guys.
-sloth

[Jaffa]

Oh, I get it now. And no you were not attacking me. I guess I just never thought of it before because I always played the default way. And in games that have an invert setting I just never messed with it.

[tadmiral]

seems more logical to have up as up and down and down. Why would you even want to have it any other way in the first place.

[wojg]

Anyone else use the right mouse button to move forward? It really pisses you off when a game wont let you set that as an option and you have to use w. I've been playing that way since doom. From what i've seen, not too many people use that anymore.

[VooDoo Chile]

Maybe its the pilot thing but non inverted mouse look is like brushing your teeth with the wrong hand, you can get the job done but it's pretty palsy.

The best way I can explain it to my friends is if you put your hand on top of someones head how would you make them look up and down? Pull his dome back and have him check out the ceiling and push his melon foward to check out his new kicks... natural to me.

But as for topic, not having the option to switch Y axis and adjust sensitivity is lameness for which there is no excuse.

[OldsterHolster]

I invert the mouse, and use the mouse right click to move forward. Heh, heh.

On the subject of why some of us invert the mouse, VooDoo Chile made a good point. When I'm at the computer doing something with the cursor, it makes perfect sense, and seems natural to push the cursor "up," and pull it "down" the screen. When playing a game, however, I'm not outside looking at a screen, but I'm inside the 3-D scene looking around, and the mouse is like my head. Forward to look down and backwards to look up.

I could re-train, I suppose, but I personally think the inverted mouse look is much more natural, and it works for me. If I want to look up, either in the real world, or a virtual world, no part of my body goes forward. (Except mayby my chin. heh, heh)

It's just "different strokes," for sure, and there is no right or wrong. When I first started playing these games, about eight or ten years, ago, I thought a joystick was the only way to go, and I actually went through Half-Life using one. We were all at the GameSpot forum, back then, and some of these fine folks gently told me that the mouse and keyboard controls were far superior, so I made the change and was amazed at how much better it was.

There was no question in my mind about inverting the mouse, and I've done that since day one; but I used the rest of the controls at their default settings for several years. At some point, I started using right-click for move forward, and it, too, seemed more natural and efficient, since I didn't have to move my left middle finger off the move backward key. I just change the alt-fire setting to the middle mouse button instead of right-click, and the result is simpler to me. My two middle fingers control forward and backwards, my trigger finger does fire and alt-fire, and the rest of the fingers on my left hand do everything else. Edward.

[Gargantula]

I agree, I bought Myst 1-5, but I haven't played them yet and I am sad to read that the mouse doesn't support the inverted mouse usage, though I use the forward on mouse equals up so I should be fine. I hate when games come with a high sensitivity with no adjustment and not being able to invert the y axis is annoying as well. It is really easy to program into a game.

Does anyone know a way to do it for Logitech G5 mouses manually if the game doesn't support it? Registry tweaks perhaps? It seems that with the driver software SetPoint I can't adjust it.

I know a brought back an old thread, but I was looking through my old e-mails and clicked on a link to this thread.

[Sno]

Just take 15 minutes and get used to the regular mouse.
Seriously.

If it was like some fast-paced action game, i'd hear you out, but it's freaking Myst.

Edit: Dammit, i didn't even see how old this topic is.

Arggh! I hate necroposts!

[Shoboy]

HAHAHAHA!!! You like to argue soooo much you pick a fight that was 2 years old!!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!

(still luv ya man........)

[yummyzebra]

Wow what a post revival!!

Sorry had a look but couldnt find much on this issue. Many people claim to have modified drivers for their mice to enable this function. Not really the road you want to go down though, sounds a bit dodgy to me!

As for an application that achieves this outside of the game, im sure theres one about somewhere.

Edit: Necroposter, i like it!! :lol:

[Karlsweldt]

I'm ready to take up arms with this issue, too! Same problem with the original Battlefield game.. you have no option to invert the mouse axis!!!!!!!!!
It is inverse logic to move 'forward' for a look up, and move 'back' for a look down! Any airplane with a wheel or joysticks has the logical movement.. and so too does a lot of construction equipment! The 'forward' movement of the mouse should be for a down look/action, and the 'back' movement should be for an up look/action.
Had tried all options and suggestions from EA Games for inverting the mouse.. no joy. Very poor programming, or demented programmers, if that feature is omitted.
Play it the right way, or no way!!

[OldsterHolster]

I'll weigh in, again, since this is a huge issue for me. I simply can't play a fast-paced game without being able to invert the mouse. I'm a pilot, and I've operated some heavy eqipment over the years on construction sites, and pushing anything forward to look or go up is just ass-backwards in my mind. For those who think it's easy to change, imagine driving through an obstacle course with your car's steering reversed. Not so easy at any speed greater than a crawl. I was hoping someone would have an easy, in-computer, fix; but I guess not.

Right-click to move forward is not the same instinctive mindset as inverting the mouse, but there's no doubt in my mind but that it is a large improvement over using "W." Oblivion didn't allow for this mapping, and the game was somewhat spoiled for me by that omission. I felt clumsy and slow throughout the game. I suspect there is probably a way to bind the right mouse button to "W," somehow, but, again, I haven't found out what it is.

Fortunately, virtually all the shooters I like to play allow for both mappings; so there must be a lot of people who feel the same way I do. Edward.

[SKaREO]

I'm an inverted mouse player too, its like aiming with your hips instead of your arms to me. I have tried to become "ambidextrous" with the Y-axis, especially playing some MMORPG games with 3rd person free-look, but sometimes its tough, especially when switching between games. I'm sure people who don't invert their mouse would be thrown off by being forced to play invert. :):