It's time we saw more adult oriented games.

[Terry Penrod]

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I think that The Bard's Tale will be a breath of fresh air for many of we older PC gamers who enjoy mature humor. It appears to be going down a similar path to Fallout 1 & 2 - which to me is a glorious one full of wry laughs, self-effacing innuendoes and little inside jokes geared for an older audience.

Don't know about you, but I for one am pretty tired of squeaky clean crap obviously sanitized for the sake of a teen rating in an overly protective, almost puritannical (and IMO very hypocritical) world where we think nothing of ultra violent content yet scream bloody murder if our sweet little kiddies actually hear the F-word or see a bare breast. How silly of parents to think that their own children - teenagers in this day and age no less - are NOT already saturated with overt sexual content of every kind in every media out there. TV, films, magazines and the web (not to mention topics of discussions amongst peers) are brimming with sex and it ain't pretty in many cases. So coming down so hard on a game that contains a few cuss words and a little implied sex is just plain stupid.

Besides, it really is much easier to track the contents of an individual game by simply reading a brief review and looking at the age rating than screening all other media all the time - let alone all of the real world influences in school, at the mall, on the street and around the neighborhood. Kids watch, listen, learn and they talk all the time. Thinking that they are not already discussing if not engaging in sex is naive to the point of absurdity.

My suggestion to concerned parents?

Play a few of these "controversial" games with your kid and see for yourself just how benign the sexual content usually is compared to TV, movies, etc. They really are quite tame in that department.

Cheers, Terry

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[RHooks]

I agree whole-heartedly. I'm afraid we're not the demographic that game publishers are interested in catering to, however.

[Eddie Ismail]

I agree that games need to include more mature content

alas, the goverment is trying to limit the stuff we already have.

[Mara]

Me too. I've always thought that mainstream entertainment catered to families. That's okay up to a point. But, there are a lot of adults in this world too, who are tired of "family entertainment".

[DanTheManPR]

alas, the goverment is trying to limit the stuff we already have.
Stupid Leiberman


Games are already have alot of gore, bad words, etc, I don't know why game creators don't go all out.

[Terry Penrod]

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Alas, as our little hobby has become a very popular and lucrative form of mainstream entertainment, the corporate sharks have feasted voraciously. As a result, the almighty bottom-line has taken over as the guiding light for content, style, genre and target marketing. So now we have a dilemma for any developer or publisher who wants to cater to a relatively small group of mature, older game fans at the direct expense of the far larger and more profitable market that includes the bulk of console players and all younger people on all systems.

Like most big budget Hollywood films these days, the vast majority of games being made are geared for the widest possible audience and the decision makers walk a very fine line between what is and is not "socially acceptable". Evidently, it is still okay to chop off heads and blow things up. But it is not okay to include any overt sex or truly foul language beyond a few common cuss words here and there in teen rated titles.

But those obvious details aside, I am also talking about the overall level of sophistication in the stories, themes, settings and characters along with the actual dialog. We see very few genuinely mature games that explore the adult world of deep emotional commitment and crisis, conflicting responsibilities, mature romance or the many other aspects of real life that make certain films and books so compelling for older viewers and readers.

Someday, I hope, the industry will finally grow-up and begin targeting the millions of older consumers out there that simply have no interest in fragging silly space monsters or saving little princess so and so. For now, we still get a few excellent PC adventure games each year and a rare CRPG that is actually written for someone over the age of 12. We also have a number of complex strategy games and some very realistic sims. I suppose those will have to suffice until more adults accept interactive games as an everyday form of home entertainment.

Cheers, Terry

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[Chylde Roland]

Yeah, I would definitely like to see some more games for mature audiences. It seems silly to me that devs spend so much time catering to families. I understand that little johnny or mary usually convinces their parents to buy stuff for them, but the mature game group seems a better target: we've usually been gaming for many years, and we have our own money and make our own buying decisions. If more things catered to our wants in games, they'd probably do surprisingly well.

[Ravanor]

I agree. It's also time for Australia to have an R rating for games. Currently any game that cannot fit into a MA rating is banned.

[Kalbrecht]

I agree. It's also time for Australia to have an R rating for games. Currently any game that cannot fit into a MA rating is banned.

They've announced it, and are bringing it into play later this year - R and X for a higher rating. I think they're tightening the whole structure up too. Hopefully this will mean implementing punishments for retailers who don't abide by the ratings.

*coughEBcough*

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As for adult-oriented games? Hella YES.

I'm dying for a game which involves far more adult situations (and I don't mean sex or 'oooh, you're a BAD GUY') and more emotional involvement, greater depth of thinking and story and as Terry said - humour.

[Cronus]

Isn't Lieberman the guy who spends all day watching porn with several other guys on your tax money?

[TWC_Orgazm]

Ya, whatever happen to Leisure Suite Larry, that was back on my Wang 386.

[Gravgon]

What exactly are you talking about ? Because from my end of the pond it sounds like pornography.

Games like RoadKill and True Crimes or GTA3 (to name a few) while they are basicly the funnest action games they are mature style games. Total violence chaos and firepower who can question that. And I heard word they are going to make kingpin 2 for x box ??
I think you got to be wanting these kids to rebel to do that. And I played kingpin for 2 years on the pc.

I been a gamer for years since I was playing mario on my 8bit.
Kids miss mario thats for sure they cut straight to the rocket launchers.
I say leave the mature games on the computers that way if someone is old enough to own a computer and there own games then they can have what they want. And someday they will but when they are young its best to leave all that violence and mature content out because it can make for some bad character traits.

And Im not saying that console is just for kids but as a adult you should respect that it is for kids but not just for kids. But FIRST it is for kids then the adults can also enjoy but most of them use there PC for games instead.

[Terry Penrod]

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What exactly are you talking about ? Because from my end of the pond it sounds like pornography.



At least some of us here are not talking about pornography Gravgon.

When I mentioned mature content for mature woman who do not like ultra violence in games and compared it to soap operas and romance novels, that is precisely what I was referring to - not gratuitous or demeaning sex. Just realistic depictions of real people in various typical love triangles, etc. Yes, these are overly dramaticized and often trite morality plays and some of them involve steamy sex scenes. But it is the emotional dynamics of human relationships in fairly realistic settings that the soap opera audience is drawn too. They would never buy games like GTA Vice City due to the demeaning role of woman as mere sex cattle and they have no interest in shooters or high speed car chases. They want "love" - not just lust. And in romance novels, that sometimes includes explicit sexual content that the readers can then fantasize about.

There is a difference you know.

And, future interactive games geared for that exact same audience would need to follow much the same formula in order to be successful. They would also need to have very simple rules / control schemes and ultra easy learning curves. Lastly, they would need to be specially packaged for and marketed specifically to that audience - which would exclude most of us here on this forum.

Cheers, Terry

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[uber_soldat666]

Okay... I believe I'm one of the youngest members of the 3Dgamers forums at fifteen and what a thread this has been! :no:

Adults rebelling against the norm... kind of rings a bell to me? :D: You guys better watch out.... someone in a oldfolks home might just slap down a curfew on you and ground you for a week! :mad:

LOL.... now you guys are feeling what it is like to be teenagers again! :thumbup:

Later,
Uber

[Ojnod]

Terry likes soap operas? Is that what I heard?

[Terry Penrod]

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Terry likes soap operas? Is that what I heard?


No.

But I can analyze demographics and translate the results for custom tailoring creative style, production values, package design, media plans and marketing communications to fit the profile of the target audience. It is after all my profession.

Cheers, Terry

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[Federaal]

i converted to pc from nintendo a while ago and i havent seen any adult orentated games as far a humour goes on pc. The funnest game ive played is conkers bad fur day. That game could keep me rolling on the ground in tears for hours :lol:

but i havnt seen anything like it since :(:
I think this dilemma not only exists in adult gamers, but in Teenage gamers such as myself...

:thumbup:

[Gravgon]

I think you are missing the meaning of pornography in my post and mabey alltogether. Please read my full post as I will try to give my defintion at the bottom. At least when I say that word I mean all forms including the one you mentioned soaps! A soap is pornography ! That is how far most people have slipped from the moral side they dont even know what it is lol. If you let your kids watch soaps then I'm sure you wouldn't mind even more adult games for consoles. And what family doesn't these days ?
My point was if you read over my post was that there are ALLREADY tons of games with mature / adult / violent content in them you said it yourself...
"already saturated with overt sexual content of every kind in every media out there."
And then your title was want more?
So instead of trying to clean up this porography you are trying to lace it in everything our kids do.
Agian my point is that some games are full of cursing and sexual content and yet you want more thats all. Games like the ones I mentioned btw. Roadkill they say f--- every other sentence and that was one of the words you mentioned also. Acting like its no big deal well to some people it is a big deal. Morals and character and image are a big deal to some people other people play with them like they are toys for kids. I enjoy video games and I even enjoy some that have cursing and massive violence but...

Consoles are more family oriented . Althought society in general would like to believe a computer is also but for most end users its not. And I would like to see all console games clean of such violence cursing or any form of pornography.

---edit---(Ok so you dont read it)You look up the real definition of pornography you'll see that it means exactly what your asking for.

"And in romance novels, that sometimes includes explicit sexual content that the readers can then fantasize about.
There is a difference you know. "

Yes I know the diffrence quite clear one type real and the other is fiction and there both wicked. And the fiction can be even more wicked than the real because it is fiction and as you can tell it leaks within familys and influences. And then before you know it the fiction isnt bad anymore its fine because its everywhere right ?

Well whatever sorry to be such a thorn but I dnt agree with this one

[MasterChief]

I don't know what soaps you watch dude but the ones that come on around here sure as hell aren't porn

[DanTheManPR]

Except in Europe :yes:

[Circlebreaker]

Moved this thread to the Heated Discussions forum.

[Glass_Hope]

agreed 110%...

Im sicka this mickey mouse ******** thats all over, if you want any sort of adult content dont even look in the same direction as a MMO, the most adult youll get there is "grinding" with a female avatar while listening to cheasy music coming out of a Jukebox

[dos.Kapital]

I don't know, people. I think there are plenty of adult-content games out there. If you want sex, rent a porno. If you want to kill nazis, play "Call of Duty". If you want to be scared, play "Doom 3". If you want to get your play on, then slip in any one of several great sports games. My point is, yeah I can see where you want adult humor in more of your games, but remember that(like someone else said) video games aren't exactly our demographic. I can watch some anime and pull more depth out of that sometimes, than the damn news on TV! But, video games are merely meant to be an escape, like much on the tube. If they were to make video games more 'adult-oriented' in terms of humor, outlook, etc. then imagine how many more ruined marriages, jobs lost, or worse, as a result of some fools getting more sucked into the computer world. No sir, I don't need anymore distractions than I already have from the real world. I've never taken any hallucinogens, but I know that there is much more in the world than what we see as we think we see it. I want to find out more about that world.

So, to video game developers out there, keep on doing what you're doing. It provides me and many other adults with just enough escape time that we need. Any more...........then I'm afraid I will lost my goals to be a good, well-rounded person. :thumbup:

[Glass_Hope]

thats deep dude....

ide still rather see some Tittys in my game than a fluffy cute animal tho