3DG WoW guild

[Chylde Roland]

Hey Everybody!

Just a note to let folks know there are many of us starting to play this terrific game. There seems to be some interest in forming a guild, so I thought I'd start this thread with the pertinent details.

And remember, we're not about making this game into work, I think what we're looking for is a loose group, there to help each other out and have some fun, with no unrealistic expectations, etc. that some guilds seem to have. It would just be nice to have a group of like-minded people to chat with or call on for help and company.

I want to emphasize that there will not be specific requirements for this guild. It will be open to all (not just 3DG members) and the only thing we ask is that you play nice, much like we do here on the boards. :):

Other than that, we'd feel free to help people with skills/quests/mentorship when we can. Really, we just want to create a friendly/support network in the game to make it more fun for all of us.

Please note that this post will (generally) deal only with the Alliance 3DG guild in WoW, however we won't slam you for talking Horde. :p:

Anyway, if you're interested, please let us know, either here or in game.

Note: I have deleted the member list because it is very hard to keep up with everyone's mains, alts and skills.

If you want to join the guild drop one of the following toons a line:

Celyse (Guildmaster)
Vilya
Nightshadow
Mandorak
Zrieprakis
Aldarius


Once you're in the guild you can see the full member list on the guild panel, and can ask about tradeskills in the guild chat channel. We're at 46 members currently, and this includes alts for some members.

We play on the Azjol-Nerub server, in the alliance faction. This faction includes Dwarves, Night Elves, Humans and Gnomes. Hunters seem to have become the toon of choice for us (:lol:), so if you want to bring some variety, please feel free to do so! The warlock is another pet class, if that's what you want. Druids can shape-shift into other animal forms; Paladins are very versatile warriors/healers. There's a TON of other things you can do as well.

Follow this link: www.worldofwarcraft.com and you'll find all the info you could ever want about the classes and the rest of the game.

Please don't hesitate to respond in this thread, or by PM, email, or in-game to anyone of us.

Thanks, and happy adventuring!

PS - If you're interested in seeing what our guild tabard looks like, check it out here: http://forums.gamers.org/showthread.php?t=3927

[Quantum Ninja]

I plan on getting the game probably as soon as this weekend, once I'm all finished up with my work for the semester. I'd gladly join you guys. My character in the open beta was a human paladin, and I really enjoyed him, so I think I'll stick with that. Heck, you guys need some friggin' variety! :):

[Quantum Ninja]

By the way, have you guys thought of a name for the guild yet? Just remember, Blizzard has quite a detailed naming policy and we'd want to make sure we've chosen a name in accordance with it. I was just reading about how one guild (KGB, a pretty big multi-gaming clan) was disbanded without warning because it was a real world reference to a political group.

[Bruenor]

Heck, you guys need some friggin' variety!

:lol: Too true my friend, we need a Paladin that we can all bail out of trouble. :p:

Looking forward to you joining us QN.

[Chylde Roland]

hehe... yeah... I'm not sur ehow we managed to get so many elf and dwarf hunters! As for a name, I know they can be strict, I was reading through the manual just now, and there's some guidelines there. We're definitely open to suggestions, and I'll throw a few out later as well.

Also, the way it works is I'll have to pay 10 silver to get a guild charter, at which time I'll need to provide a name for the guild. Then, once 10 characters sign it, we can register the guild, for 10 gold. THEN, it costs 10 gold to design the tabard. I'm not sure how that will work, in terms of everybody being able to see it. Finally, once the tabard is designed, it costs 1 gold piece to buy one.

I think the reason these costs are up there is so that people will be at higher levels when they creat guilds, at least for the initial formation. It makes sense, because it also discourages people from creating them willy-nilly all over the place. It also means a certain level of committment will be there, too.

I'll start thinking about some names, and if anyone else has any suggestions, please feel free to chime in!

[Gary V.]

I'm gonna get a warrior going on the server. But what abjout the level disparity? I'm sure Zedd is a level 40 or so by now.

[Bruenor]

Nah, Chylde's the highest level of us last time I checked, and he's at 18.

[Chylde Roland]

Level disparity is only a real problem if you're grouping. For example, at lev 18 for me, the stuff Bruenor is hunting is too low level for me, and I wouldn't get experience. Because the highest level member in the group is tagged for XP first, and I would get none, Bruenor would therefore get none if we were grouped. However, as a guildmate (or not, just ungrouped), I could stand there and cover his back while he kills, and still help him with his quests without interfering in his XP gains. I'd basically be there in case he gets jumped.

I don't mind doing this once in awhile, even if I gain no XP, because I play more often that Bruenor. And if I want to play for XP, I'll just head back to the higher level areas.

By the sounds of it, there's a number of people starting up right now, so there should be quite a few people in the 10 and under category who can group without too much trouble. Zedd is getting close to me, and Bruenor's not too far behind, so we'll be able to group if I need some help someplace. And I also don't mind asking other people for help while I'm on. I do see a time when Zedd heads by me in terms of levels, tho. :p:

I think it will all sort itself out as we get playing together.

[Rafal Dudek]

I'm 15. Gonna try to hit 20 on weekend. Cant play today. MAYBE some playing tomorrow. and HOPEFULLY some playing on wed. Thur and Fri are busy for me =P

[Chylde Roland]

Here's some ideas:

"The Lancers"

"3DG"

"Hunt Squad"

"AoA" (kind of cheesy, but short for Angels of the Alliance... oh wait... nothing angelic about dwarves, is there? :lol:)

"Layers of Light"

"Desperation"

"The Pansies"

"Warriors of Lordaeron"

"Lordaeron's Might"

"The Ironforgers"


ah don't know... I'm partial to either of the Lordaeron-related ones, as well as Layers of Light. The Pansies was a joke (just in case!).

[Rafal Dudek]

how about Forces of Lordaeron? that way its not just 'warriors" especially since all of us are hunters =P

[Chylde Roland]

ok, I'll give that one a shot. I think we can change it later anyway, if we want to. Or if people don't like that one, I'll get a new charter, no big deal.

[Chylde Roland]

OK, just came offline. Our guild will henceforth be known as Forces of Lordaeron, even though we'll have a night elf as master, lol! (like it really matters.)

Anyway, Cap'n's toon Grunst is the first sig after mine, so we only need 8 more autographs on the charter they gave me in-game. We can hook up as we're on together to get the some other sigs on this thing. When we reach 10 total players, we can activate it. Then we'll have to figure out where the holy heck we're going to get the 10 gold we'll need to do that!

[Bruenor]

My wife is installing the game right now, we should be on pretty quickly here for a little bit.

Do you have to be online for us to sign?

[Chylde Roland]

Yes, I have to select you, then click a button to offer the invitation to sign the charter. No worries though, we can try for tomorrow night, if that'll work for you guys. I'm just bushwacked tonight, so I'm off to bed very soon. I slept terribly last night for some reason (seriously, I wasn't up playing WoW all night, I just didn't sleep well!).

[Bruenor]

Oh yeah, make fun of Dwarves all you want, but I'm the only Dwarf who is actually married to a Night Elf :p: :lol:

[Bruenor]

Yes, I have to select you, then click a button to offer the invitation to sign the charter. No worries though, we can try for tomorrow night, if that'll work for you guys. I'm just bushwacked tonight, so I'm off to bed very soon. I slept terribly last night for some reason (seriously, I wasn't up playing WoW all night, I just didn't sleep well!).

No problem there, we would have been on earlier but the game seriously takes a long time to install. Not too mention the updates and everything. :rolleyes:

[Chylde Roland]

Oh yeah, make fun of Dwarves all you want, but I'm the only Dwarf who is actually married to a Night Elf :p: :lol:

Hehe, touche!

Yeah the game can take just a little while to install, that's for sure. But it's definitely worth the wait. Anyway, I'll be back in game tomorrow evening, so we can all hook up then, or all of us who are able to be on, anyway.

That reminds me, any ideas for that movie re-enactment picture contest Cap'n discovered? If not, no big deal, I'm sure the community folks at Blizzard will be coming up with more things for our amusement and interest. :yes:

[Shardos]

bah, ye guys should be playin' guild wars :wink:

[Bruenor]

To add to the list

Bruenor's Wife - Chanasmira - Night Elf Hunter

[Chylde Roland]

I updated the top post. How did things go with your wife, Bruenor? Is she now a hopelessly addicted player like the rest of us? If she needs a hand over in Shadow Glen, let me know. I'll have to head over there to collect her sig on the charter anyway. :):

And if she wants to come over where we are later, Zedd or I can guide her over, or one of us can take you to her. I highly recommend she stays there until she gets her beast taming skills, because night elves have to learn them from the night elf trainer.

[Bruenor]

I updated the top post. How did things go with your wife, Bruenor? Is she now a hopelessly addicted player like the rest of us? If she needs a hand over in Shadow Glen, let me know. I'll have to head over there to collect her sig on the charter anyway. :):

And if she wants to come over where we are later, Zedd or I can guide her over, or one of us can take you to her. I highly recommend she stays there until she gets her beast taming skills, because night elves have to learn them from the night elf trainer.

She loved the game last night. She's was so enthralled (and so new) that she totally ignored everything and anything (including the chat window, so when NSF or Cap'n would say anything to her, they'd never get a reply - hell I never got a reply when I was talking directly at her :lol: ). She only played for a little over an hour last night and she's at level 4 (very close to 5) and picking things up real fast. All she talked about this morning was playing tonight so what does that tell you? :lol:

Is it easy for me to get to her as well? I wouldn't mind making the trek down there to give her some armor and other stuff (cause you know, its always hard when your wife is a continent away :p: ). If you're on when were on, maybe I can meet you at Ironforge and we can make the trek together if thats easier or even possible.

[Chylde Roland]

oh, yeah it's possible. I won't make the same mistake I made with Zedd, I'll let you bring Cuddles along for the ride. :p:

We'll have to go through some dangerous territory, but once you open up your griffon route, you won't have to make the run again. (So make sure you speak with the griffon master in Ironforge before we leave there!) It's expensive to take the griffon from Ironforge, because it's high level (25+) terrain; it costs 3s50c each trip. Better than dying repeatedly, tho. There's a couple of rough patches, but it shouldn't be too terribly difficult. Just have to move fast. :)

[Chylde Roland]

Hey Gary, have you created a toon on our server yet? Make sure you let us know when you do! :thumbup:

[Bruenor]

Already talked to griffon master in Ironforge, so that's not a problem. I can also teleport back there when I'm done (after talking to the griffon master in the Shadowlands which is where I assume we are going).

And money suddenly become no issue at the present time (although it likely will become an issue again once I return to my spend happy ways and training is much more expensive now). I'll probably walk from Loch Modan back to Ironforge at first though, I got a quest to complete that's smack in the middle of the town I'm in and Ironforge.

[Chylde Roland]

Here's our route:

Ironforge through Algaz Gate, through the Wetlands to Menethil Harbor (griffon master here), boat to Auberdine, boat to Rut'theran Village, teleportor to Darnassus, run to Shadow Glen.

It's actually easy, once we get through the Algaz Gate to Menethil Harbor section. Also, you won't have to come all the way back to Irongforge, it sounds like you'll be halfway to where we need to go. So when I log in, I can to wherever you're at. We'll be passing right through the NW part of Loch Modan.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Ok,....I picked up my copy today for $40, that made the "sting" a litte less.

So, any recommendations? I'd like to try a Warlock..... should I go with a Night Elf?... or do we have too many of those?.... maybe a Human then?

It will probably take me a bit to set things up, so I probably won't be on until later in the afternoon, but I'll be taking a look at your suggestions, and the Official site.

:thumbup:


P.S..... I hate you guys.... :p:


Fzoul

[Bruenor]

:cheer:

:wtf: Someone not being a hunter? :p:

My suggestion for your toon is be whatever you want and are comfortable with. There is the ease of the rest of us getting to you if you are a Night Elf or Dwarf, BUT Chylde travels everywhere and he will find you. Zedd has travelled quite extensively too I believe and I'm starting to. Once you open up griffon locations it becomes a lot easier to travel anywhere fast.

[Rafal Dudek]

You could try Humans, you get easy quests except for that princess one. I dont think humans gain any racial bonuses though. Humans start near a nice city Stormwind =]

P.S..... I hate you guys.... :p:

bah, it was only a matter of time and you know it :p:

[Drewby]

I am hoping to get the game for X-Mas, there is a high likelyhood of that. If not, I will grab it for myself thereafter! :p:

I have been looking around the site a bit, and I am leaning towards Night Elf Druid, so sooner or later, I should be up and on there.

Just popping in to say that I am interested and best of luck! :thumbup:

[Chylde Roland]

Cool, I'll make some additions to our list on the first post (i.e., with info "forthcoming").

And yeah, feel free to startup wherever you like, Fzoul. I consider my homebase to be Stormwind, but as Bruenor says I'm familiar with most of the areas you could start in, and I don't mind traveling. I've learned all that because I love seeing the sights in this terrific place Blizzard has created.

One of my IRL friends is a human warlock, and he's been very successful at it, both solo and grouped. These are the racial bonuses for humans:

Perception - active - Activate to increase stealth detection radius by 10 yards - lasts 20 sec - 3 min cooldown

The Human Spirit - passive - Increase Spirit by 5%

Diplomacy - passive - 10% bonus to faction point gain

Sword Specialization - passive - Humans get +5 to Sword skill

Mace Specialization - passive - Humans get +5 to Mace skill

The other alliance race that can be a warlock is the gnome (but they're what dwarves can safely call "shorty"):

Escape Artist - active - Activate to break out of a Root or Snare effect - 1.5 sec cast - 1 min cooldown

Expansive Mind - passive - Increase Intelligence by 5%

Arcane Resistance - passive - All Gnomes get +10 Arcane Resistance

Technologist - passive - 15 skill bonus to Engineering

[Gary V.]

I have a human warrior named Longshadow, which is the name of the street I live on. Just level 4 for now; I am also playing on a different server with my daughter.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Wonderful...... it appears that because I'm using Win XP Firewall,... Blizzard is punishing me by limiting my download speed to 8k.


:mad:


Edit:.... Well... it's 5:30pm now and I can't get on, the servers are down... and they say they're "working on it".



Fzoul

[Cap'n]

You're using the XP firewall?!?! EEEEEP!

Seriously, I had a problem with my router and had to open ports. But after that....whoosh......updates were a cinch. :):


All servers were down today for maintenance. Don't really know what that was all about. Anyway, make sure you get on the same server as us and post your name.


BTW, it took you long enough to get the game......slacker. :lol:

[Cap'n]

BTW, the servers were up but the logins were down. Seems like Blizzard was having a bad day. They had them down from 5:30pst to 8:30pst.

It's all working fine now.

[Chylde Roland]

I'm in alright now, too. I also had trouble with the damn first update, but after that, things went well.

[Bruenor]

Wonderful...... it appears that because I'm using Win XP Firewall,... Blizzard is punishing me by limiting my download speed to 8k.


:mad:


Edit:.... Well... it's 5:30pm now and I can't get on, the servers are down... and they say they're "working on it".



Fzoul

I had the same problem with updates, actually so did my wife yesterday, so your not alone there. The program they use for updating does not like any firewalls or routers whatsoever.

[Rafal Dudek]

they are using bittorrent which means... you need ports opened to allow traffic through, otherwise you'll be very limited =]

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Had fun tonight,...made it to Lvl 4..almost lvl 5.

Character is a Human Warlock named ZriePrakis... I got the name from an 18th lvl Lich from the Forgotten Realms... I wanted to make it two words, but they dont let you put in "spaces"...

:rolleyes:

Oh well,.... finally got my "imp" pet, but Chylde's friend had to help me find the place.... :thumbup:

He was a 19 lvl Warlock, with a Succubus Demon for a pet,...THAT was cool to see.


As soon as all of us can get to be a respectable level,...we can start "grouping" together..


:evil:


Fzoul

[NotSoFast]

I finally made it to 10th level and did the quests to get and train my pet. I got an Ice Claw bear named Gnomeater. Between him, my gun that does 5.8 dps, and the Heavy Shot bullets that do an extra 3.5 dps, most opponents are dead before they even reach me.

I bought a stable spot for 5s. I assume this was correct? Do I need to stable him each time for him to be there waiting for me next time? I assume the 5s price was a one-time deal.

[SnapDad]

I'm getting my copy after new years. I'm planning on going for a little psychotic gnome warlock. Booyah. I want to be an engineer!

[Rafal Dudek]

stable spots are needed if you want to tame additional pets which is recommended so you can learn other pets skills and teach them to your main one =P

[Bruenor]

Hey Chylde, you probably won't have to come travelling for us tonight, we likely won't be on tonight. Tomorrow's another one of those 4:30 mornings and I need sleep as it is.

We'll definitely be on Thursday though. :thumbup:

[Chylde Roland]

He was a 19 lvl Warlock, with a Succubus Demon for a pet,...THAT was cool to see.

Actually, he's almost level 29 :lol:

He's a pretty hardcore MMOG player. I asked him to join our group, but he's not sure yet. We have a third friend who plays, and he's going to check with him before they do. They may become "silent partners" though, in that they'll make themselves available to help us out when they can, but without actually signing on to our guild. And that's just fine with me, whatever they chose to do. Either way, they'll likely be an invaluable help to us. Fzoul, he said you can drop him a line anytime you like, esp. since you're the same class and he knows a lot more about warlocks than I do. :): He also has tailoring and enchanting for his skills.

Glenn, the stables are a good idea, but I personally don't see a need to buy the second slot as yet. The first one is definitely needed because you can't catch another pet unless your main pet is stabled. And you'll want to catch other beasts to learn new skills that you can then teach to your main pet. For example, I wanted "Claw rank 3" for my cat, so I went and caught a bear that had it, learned it by using it combat, then released the bear. I then went and unstabled Stripe, and taught it to him. His skills are growing rapidly, and he seems to mirror my attacks sometimes. Like once in awhile, he seems to really hit something hard, like he's using a raptor strike (it makes my screen shake a little bit, and plays a loud thunk sound) and other times the mob shows that it's been hit by that frozen arrow, but I haven't shot it with that skill yet.

You don't have to stable your pet when you log off, it will be there with you when you log back in. If it's not, use your call pet skill, and it will appear beside you.

Also, as a hunter, you can use your pet as a tank. This is a very important tactic to learn because it keeps mobs away from you so you're at range to shoot. How it works is you target your enemy, then send your pet in to attack first. DO NOT attack the mob until your pet hits it first, gaining aggro. then attack all you want. In this way, the mob should remain focused on your pet, and you should never be touched. Also, make sure you train your pet in the Growl skill ASAP. If your pet loses aggro, they will automatically use this skill (if available) to cause threat, which will return the mob's aggro to your pet. I almost never take damage now, unless I get jumped by a different mob while fighting something else. One thing you'll learn is that your pet works very hard to keep mobs off you. They're very protective that way. :):

That's great news SnapDad. You'll of course be more than welcome to join up when the time comes. Hopefully by then we'll have everything fully in place!


Hehe, no worries Bruenor. We'll get you two signed on soon enough, I'm sure. I'll probably roll on up to Ironforge to get Glenn's signature, and set up some auctions, then I'm off to follow Fzoul around, to help him not die. :p:

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Found this info. on the WoW Forums..... do you think it's useful?


Target the nearest enemy distance...

Open file Config.wtf

Let's hear it for keeping a log book from beta:

SET TargetNearestDistance "40.000000"

Where 40.000000 is the distance in yards.
Note that the game default is 20.000000
and the max possible distance was 45ish at one time.



Fzoul

[Rafal Dudek]

is that for the "target-next" button?

[Fzoulcmbyl]

I believe so .....not sure.



Fzoul

[Chylde Roland]

I think it will extend the range around you that the game will search when looking for enemy mobs, when you hit the targeting keys. TBH, I don't use those functions because of the hunter tracking skills; I generally already know what's around me.

Have I mentioned I love being a hunter in this game? :yes:

[Cap'n]

Ok, where in the @#$&! is a Leatherworking trainer that can train above the first tier? I finally skinned every single living thing in Dun Morogh, made enough leather to sell and give away, got up to 75 in leather working, but now can't find a trainer for the next tier. The one in Ironforge only taught first tier skills.

:mad:

[Rafal Dudek]

They're generally all bunched up together. Keep asking a guard, they'll generally keep pointing you to a different person each time. If still you cant find, ask someone in public channel by typing:

/1 Where can I find a leatherworking trainer to teach me above skill 75?

=]

[Chylde Roland]

Well, I finally hit 20 tonight. This is a landmark level for me because I get two very good skills: dual wield, and Aspect of the Cheetah. One is obvious, I can hold two weapons. Second one increases my run speed by 30%. Downside to it is that if I get hit by a mob, I'm instantly dazed for a few seconds.

More good news, two of my RL friends signed the guild charter. Their info is on the first post now, too. After I get Bruenor and his wife signed on (tomorrow!), we'll only need one more person to hit our minimum requirement of 10 players. Oh, that and 10 gold coins. And I'm broke again since buying my level 20 skills, lol. We'll have to figure something out for saving up for this once we sign our 10th member. Bruenor, you're the accountant. Any ideas? :lol:

[NotSoFast]

Zed, you can find the advanced leatherworking trainer in the same room that the journeyman trainer is in....in Ironforge. He's a bald gnome behind a loom. It took me a while to find him, myself. I am at 81 leatherworking as of now.

[Bruenor]

Bruenor, you're the accountant. Any ideas? :lol:

Umm, save money. :wink:

The invoice for my professional services will be in the mail :p: :lol:

[Chylde Roland]

smartass.

:p:

[Bruenor]

:p:

In all seriousness though, this is going to be our toughest challenge, especially for us below the low 20's. I know my experience is that you make enough money to upgrade your skills, and then you're broke, and repeat.

What is going to have to happen I would guess is that in order to pitch in something meaningful to the cost, some of the members (say those over level 10 or so) are going to have to make some sacrifices in terms of personal developement for a while until we can get this thing paid. Below level 10 just isn't fair, Fzoul has trouble now as it is :p:. (Yes I know I died 4 times in the last 2 days, twice by lowly boars so shaddup :wink: )

For example, I'm willing to forego anymore training for new abilities and I'll hunt, skin, create leather goods, sell and repeat until I can contribute a meaningful contribution to the fund. Well, this way I'll level up once or twice too.

[Chylde Roland]

That's actually kind of what I was thinking. For example, out of about 8 skills I could have trained last night, I only trained 3 (arcane shot 3, aspect of cheetah, and mend pet 2). I skipped dual wield for now because not only would the skill cost me 29s, I would also have to buy another blade, which could be in the 25-30s range. I'm not entirely broke, I currently have about 95s, and I have some auctions on the go that could contribute another 50 or so silver, if they all close successfully.

So my main focus for now I think will be developing my leather skill and making money with the products I make by selling them at auction.

Another idea: you get much, much, much more money by selling good items at auction, rather than to NPC vendors. For example, I found a high level magic staff (as a drop) that would have sold to an NPC vendor for about 12 silver, but I auctioned it for 34 silver.

Some other examples of good auctionable items are stones like shadowgem, malachite, tigerseye and pearls. Also, linen and wool fetch decent prices, too. So, if you want to contribute those kinds of items, if you don't need them, send them to me through ingame mail, or I can meet you somewhere to pick them up (or you can auction them yourself as well, by all means!). I've discovered a player can make decent money by using auctions. The auctionhouse is in Ironforge, across from the bank.

I'm going to start transferring money into my bank vault toward this, and I'll keep you all up to date about how we're doing.

For the record, I also agree that lower level members will not be expected to make massive contributions to the cause. That simply wouldn't be possible, nor would it be fair.

I'm at a bit of an advantage in that I don't need to buy armor, but neither do you all. If you need leather and don't have that skill trained, let me know and I'll make you some so you can save the money you would have spent buying it. Also, don't buy 6-slot bags if you can help it, they're quite expensive and my friend Vilya can make them with his tailoring skill. Fzoul will also eventually be able to make them for us. I think 8 and 10 slot bags are also on the tailoring skill tree, so they will come soon enough. If you find a bag and don't need anymore, auction it! The fetch decent money there, also.

Anyway, just some ideas from my perspective also. :):

[Fzoulcmbyl]

You know....I don't have any trouble at all..... so :p:

I'm almost lvl 7,.... what's the thought on "grouping" on some creatures that are "somewhat" lower level than you guys?

In other words,.... if we have 3-4 people who are 17-19th lvl.....don't you get "some" XP for beating up on some 12-14 lvl baddies?... and with your pets...isn't that a fairly easy battle?

So, what if you had myself and maybe 1-2 other "lower" lvl members,..... hang out in the back.... and do ranged attacks?

As long as you guys are the one's "agro"-ing the baddies,... we wouldn't have to worry about them chasing us...... wouldn't this get us leveled quicker?.... and get us better items to sell...so we could get the money quicker?


Just a thought,


Fzoul

[Bruenor]

The problem with that Fzoul is that the high level person you're grouping with actually negatively effects the XP the low level person would receive. You get a lot less XP because your getting what the high level person gets. Doing that would develop you a lot slower.

[Chylde Roland]

we do negatively affect the XP. For example, after I was finished helping you out, Fzoul, I met up with Vilya and Nightshadow for a bit. We were grouped, and I was only making like 40-75 XP on our kills (which is very low for my level... when you consider I needed 21,300 XP to get to 20). However, I didn't mind in that case because they were helping me with a couple of quests, and that was my main goal. I got 3500 XP from the two quests I cashed in last night, and that's what bumped me to 20.

That said, we'd have to experiment a little. As long as we're not grouped, we can generally take aggro, as long as we DON'T hit the mob first. If you hit the mob first, you should get the XP for it, because you "tag" it for XP and loot by hitting it first.

I'm not sure how that would work, but it may be better for you to focus on solo quests, and call us in for help on tougher ones, like the Princess one I helped you with last night. There's another one near you that we gan do, called Hogger. He's an elite gnoll you have to off, but there's tons of other gnolls in the immediate area, which is what makes him tricky to get. Again, we can experiment a bit and see what we can do. Alternatively, I could make a new toon, power level up to yours, then we can group that way with more even XP thresholds.

Again, just some thoughts. :):

[Chylde Roland]

A couple of additions:

- When I said I needed 21300 to hit 20, that was the total for that level, from 19 to 20. I only needed about 2K before I cashed in those quests.

- With the fighting, you would of course get aggro first if you hit first, but the beasties will attack whoever is causing the most harm, so we could remove aggro from lower levs easily.

- for Elite quest, we should group, because anyone who has the quest, while in a group, will be able to loot the target monster. So if we were grouped, and I took aggro from and then killed Hogger, you would still be able to loot him for the quest item you'd need.

Hope that helps clear things up, I think I was a bit vague in my last post.

[Rafal Dudek]

I soloed 2 eliete quests so far and one was orange =P


I'll do my best to contribute whatever I can. About to log in and try to gain 2 more levels and some gold =]

Thats a good tip about selling those rare harvests chylde. How much exactly are they selling for on auction? Because i always sold them to merchants =P

[Chylde Roland]

The prices vary, Zedd. Generally what I do is go with the starting price the auction house automatically assigns. Then, I look at the current auctions for similar items to see what the current "buy-out" prices are. Then, I undercut those by 2-3 silver (this depends on the item) and let 'er rip. There's a listing fee based on the starting price of the item, and the house takes a small cut, but it's still very profitable. Oh, and try to use the 2-hour auctions, they seem to be more likely to sell that 8 or 24 hour ones.

Unfortunately, the only auction house we have relatively easy access to is in Ironforge. There's another one that both alliance and horde members can use, but its fees are apparently a lot higher. I can't remember where it is, either.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Ok,.. I understand what you are saying, but I want to clarify it a bit more....

In Chyldes scenario.... he is grouped with guys that are 29 lvl, while he was 19th.... and he got 40-75 XP.

Now if we take that example, and I was grouped with Chylde and Bruenor and maybe another person close to my level..... wouldn't us low level guys also get about that much, by attacking baddies that are 14th lvl or so?

Right now, I get about 40-65 Xp versus 6 and 7th level baddies, and I can only take on 1 at a time, so it makes for a very slow battle to get where I need to complete the quest.....

BUT, if I were just out "hunting" 14th lvl baddies, with a group of 4 ppl,.... wouldn't we be able to "mow" down those baddies much faster than the way I'm doing it....1 at a time?...... AND I would most likely make 40-65 XP against a 14 lvl baddie.

Anyway,.... if I'm still wrong on that..ok,.. I just wanted to make sure you were looking at it the same way I was.

:thumbup:


Fzoul

[Rafal Dudek]

you'll probably be getting between 10-30 exp per kill =]

[Rafal Dudek]

btw Fzoul... run those quests as much as possible. They give you TONS of exp and good loot along with coin =]

[Chylde Roland]

Yeah, what Zedd said.

When I was at 8, and Vilya and Nightshadow were at 17/18, they helped me move from Teldrassil over to Stormwind. As we went, I fought some stuff in Loch Modan and was getting like 14XP for each kill, about a third of what I was capable of getting on my own with enemies of my level. They do this so it becomes very hard to "twink" low level characters.

I think the best support we can offer is in terms of money and items, and backup when you're questing in dangerous areas. We can communicate via tells instead of group chat in those cases, and once we're guilded, we'll have the guild channel as well. Also be sure to keep an eye open for cross-purposed quests... that is, quests that require you to kill 10, let's say gnolls. Then, if you have another quest that requires items dropped by gnolls, you'd be killing two quests with one session.

Another efficiency example is something I do as a hunter. I kill boars, and tons of them, because I get four benefits: I skin them for leather, I get stuff I can sell/auction, I get XP, and I get food I can cook or feed to my pet. As Vilya said to me last night, they're like the buffalo of Azeroth, lol.

Anyway, I think the upshoot is that you have to be an efficient questor. In your case, hunting humanoids is a good call, because they drop magic items more often, which you can disenchant for your enchanting skill (or auction them off), they drop cloth you can use for tailoring, you'll get other stuff to sell + cash, and you'll get your xp. See what I mean? And whenever possible, make sure you're doing something that ties into a quest, so you can gather that XP and the rewards as well. Get as many quests as you can find!

:):

BTW - I sometimes feel like I'm getting really longwinded or perhaps being overly helpful. Please let me know if I'm revealing more than you perhaps wanted to know. (this applies to everybody, of course). I'm just trying to help, but sometimes I can get carried away. Thanks.

[SnapDad]

So lets say you're not grouped, but traveling together. Can say the lower level person start the fight with a beast and then the higher level person step in and whale on it down to almost dead, then have the lower level person finish off the beast? Would that give the lower level guy the full xp?

[Bruenor]

Ok,.. I understand what you are saying, but I want to clarify it a bit more....

In Chyldes scenario.... he is grouped with guys that are 29 lvl, while he was 19th.... and he got 40-75 XP.

Now if we take that example, and I was grouped with Chylde and Bruenor and maybe another person close to my level..... wouldn't us low level guys also get about that much, by attacking baddies that are 14th lvl or so?

Right now, I get about 40-65 Xp versus 6 and 7th level baddies, and I can only take on 1 at a time, so it makes for a very slow battle to get where I need to complete the quest.....

BUT, if I were just out "hunting" 14th lvl baddies, with a group of 4 ppl,.... wouldn't we be able to "mow" down those baddies much faster than the way I'm doing it....1 at a time?...... AND I would most likely make 40-65 XP against a 14 lvl baddie.

Anyway,.... if I'm still wrong on that..ok,.. I just wanted to make sure you were looking at it the same way I was.

:thumbup:


Fzoul

Hmm, are you saying that if you grouped with my wife and myself (lv 7 and 14) and we took on mobs that were say 13-15 would you and my wife not get more experience?

If you're saying that, then I think you might have a point then. I just assumed that you were talking about grouping to finish off the lower level quests and such. Hmm, not quite sure. When I get together with my wife I may have to test that out.

[Bruenor]

So lets say you're not grouped, but traveling together. Can say the lower level person start the fight with a beast and then the higher level person step in and whale on it down to almost dead, then have the lower level person finish off the beast? Would that give the lower level guy the full xp?

In my experience, the guy who starts the fight gets the XP and loot regardless of who finishes the fight if there is no grouping (except for those damn interfering guards :mad: )

[Chylde Roland]

In my experience, the guy who starts the fight gets the XP and loot regardless of who finishes the fight if there is no grouping (except for those damn interfering guards :mad: )
I saw a guard get killed by a bunch of Defias bandits once. I didn't think that could happen, but she was back on her beat pretty quickly after that anyway.

And yes, the person who hits first effectively "locks" the mob so no one can kill steal or leech much experience.

[NotSoFast]

I am doing pretty well money wise. At least never broke. :): Currently, I am level 14 and have about 40s on me. I should have a gold by tonight. No skills to buy until 16. I have current armor and weapons. I donated a few silver to Fzoul today. Now I'm getting stingy. :yes:

[SnapDad]

So theoretically you could baby sit newbies and have them start a fight with some higher level baddies and then the higher level people step in and finish off the baddies so the newbie could get good xp?

[Rafal Dudek]

if I sel the junk on auctions tonight, I should have a whole gold total =]

[Rafal Dudek]

So theoretically you could baby sit newbies and have them start a fight with some higher level baddies and then the higher level people step in and finish off the baddies so the newbie could get good xp?

There might still be problem of exp loss. I noticed exp points fluctuate too much since I use my pet to tank stuff.

[Gary V.]

I played with Fzoul a little bit tonight. It was very cool. He saw me fighting a wolf and ran over and helped me. Then I realized who it was, and I thought it was the neatest thing. My wife made me quit, so we didn't get to play long. How do we join the guild? My daughter also plays; I bought her a copy so we play together some on a different server. Is it ok if she plays with us some? She makes some mistakes, but so do I.

Looking forwards to seeing you all in the game!

[Bruenor]

I played with Fzoul a little bit tonight. It was very cool. He saw me fighting a wolf and ran over and helped me. Then I realized who it was, and I thought it was the neatest thing. My wife made me quit, so we didn't get to play long. How do we join the guild? My daughter also plays; I bought her a copy so we play together some on a different server. Is it ok if she plays with us some? She makes some mistakes, but so do I.

Looking forwards to seeing you all in the game!

I don't think we'll have a problem with your daughter joing Gary, welcome aboard.

Chylde will find you to sign the charter.

[Cap'n]

I think we'll have to tackle most elite quests as a group. I say this from experience since me and Donag got our butts chewed by a level 20 elite grizzly bear. He tore through us like Star Jones at Sizzler. :lol: I've never had so much fun getting killed.

I also like what we've been doing; helping each other out with items, armor, money and advice. It's also fun to just run into each other and go kill some boar. I wish I could have grouped more last night, but I had limited time and some skills to learn.

I gotta try that auction thing. I keep finding cool weapons and such but keep selling them to vendors.

[Rafal Dudek]

weenies!

One quest in Darkshore had me kill this moma bear who was lvl 19 and I was 15 with my lvl 14 pet. I admit, the bear almost killed my pet but we managed to solo kill it =P

[Bruenor]

That Bear was nothing compared to what happened at Thelsamar yesterday Cap'n. Let's just say there are some strong Horde player characters out there capable of wiping an entire town. Of course Chylde and I, being the good alliance people we are, just stood in the graveyard and watched the slaughter take place (I've never seen a graveyard so active before). :lol: I only saw 2 Tauren's and one undead mage but all three of them basically had enough strength/skills where it was one hit one kill.

When we left we ran pretty much through the heat of the battle. A character right beside me also running got targeted and wiped instantly, it was like I was playing Medal of Honor again.

All in all though, it was pretty cool. I can't wait to get to a level where I can return the favor to the Horde.

And the auction thing is cool Cap'n. I got 11s more from an item than I would have if I sold it to an NPC. :thumbup: Highly recommended.

[Chylde Roland]

Here be a longish update post:

I was trying to track you down last night Gary but kept losing you, lol. Then Fzoul went linkdead, and rejoined in a heavily mobbed area, so he was running his arse off and couldn't tell me where you guys were. I dropped you a line, but I think that must have been right around when your wife kicked you off the computer, because you went offline shortly after that. (Me: "Was it something I said?" :lol:)

So I've got you added to my friends list, and I'll send you a /tell next time I see you on. You're the last person we need signed to register the guild, and of course your daughter is more than welcome to join us as well. The more the merrier!

Also, be sure to let me know if you need 8-slot bags for your toons. Vilya is able to make them with tailoring, as he did for Fzoul and Bruenor last night. Or feel free to drop him a line if you see him online. He's a great source of advice for the human areas of this game as well; he'll be at level 30 sometime today, I'm sure.

The plan now is to figure out how to create our own chat channel, which will make things a lot easier, and once we have the guild thing going, we'll have the guild channel as well. This will save us from having to use group chat, which is limited to five members anyway.

Vilya and I are working hard to get as much of the 10 gold we need as possible, as I know we all are. I have a little over two gold, and I'm not sure how much he has, but I know he'll be generous (:wink:). I estimate we're probably about halfway there between the two of us, and then there's whatever everybody else can donate.

Cap'n, the auction thing is really easy. I figured it out without actually reading anything in the book, though I did read the book later (pg 114) to make sure I didn't miss anything. If you're in any way familiar with online auctions like eBay, you shouldn't have any problems at all.

Man, that battle was very cool to see. They were very high level players (when I targeted them, I got a ?? for their level, and there was a little skull attached to their character portraits, so I decided against dying, lol). I took a bunch of screenies, so I'll try to post some when I get home later. I would have liked to see how well they'd have fared in Stormwind or Lakeshire, though. The alliance players I targeted were level 20 and below, so it was almost like they were picking on easy kills. Much higher level characters in SW (well, a good mix of levels) and Lakshire/Darshire are generally levs 18 and above.

Just a few other random thoughts I've been having: three weeks into the game, and it still feels fresh and new. Levelling is not a burden, the skills are fun to develop, and I really enjoy the quests and the grouping we've been doing, though my fingers are sore from all the typing I've been doing! I wonder if there's a voice communication aspect to this, that would be ideal!

[Bruenor]

Well, not to mention the guards themselves in Ironforge are level 60+ Chylde, as I'm sure they are in Stormwind too (not that I would know, I'm so flipping lost there that when I log on tonight I'm zapping myself home to IF). Not much for guards in Thelsamar, just Mountaineers that are usually at 30 on the extreme high end and usually lower.

I can't fathom the amount of people that would be needed to take a city like those.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Voice chat would really save alot of time. :thumbup:

I have 40 silver, so I should have at least 1 Gold piece to donate by the time we do it.

I'm starting to get quests that are taking me to sections that I can't do solo.... like "exploring" a river section or Mine.. where I have to go deep into the area. Now, that wouldn't be too much of a problem, if the spawn times weren't so close together. By the time I battle the 2nd or 3rd creature into the area, the 1st one spawns behind me, so if I don't mow through them quickly, then they wander up behind me while I'm in battle.... and that's never good.

:no:


I wish it weren't so hard to find "blueprints" for stuff to make..... and it's also hard to find weapons/armor that I can wear...... it's always "red", and saying that I need a higher skill lvl,.... but I can never find any other blueprints than the 1st "tailoring" ones that I got..... :face4:

Oh well, I've decided that I will do fishing and cooking in the morning.... it's relaxing, and I got them to 30 yesterday morning, so it won't take that long.
Still have not found the "Enchant" trainer,.... even in Stormwind....I was checking every house in the Mage District..... *sigh.



Oh ya..... I also made 2 other characters to dink around with.... don't know how much I'll use them but they are...

Myrkul- Undead Priest ( currently lvl 3 )

Kasgaroth- Night-Elf Druid ( currently lvl 2 )


Fzoul

[Cap'n]

LOL, oh man I could use one of those 8 slot bags. Heh, I could use more than 1. :wink:

I'm gonna try and level up my leather making skills today. I'm not that far from getting into the medium leather range.

[Chylde Roland]

Cool, I'll let him know. I'll get him to give me a few bags, too, so we'll both be able to provide them to people who need them.

Cap'n, once you and Bruenor are in the mid range for leather, I'm going to switch to herbalism and alchemy. The main reason for this is that we have a few other people out there now who are in the same skills as me, and you're all becoming quite capable with those skills. I think a little diversity in the trades will be a big boon to our group.

The other reason is that, as I was helping Fzoul decide which skills he was going to take, the herb/alch combo came up. I'm not that well versed in all the benefits, but I know for sure we can make some decent buff potions that will be a big help to everybody. So I'm going to get going on that.

And Fzoul, since your skill sets match Vilya's, please don't hesitate to ask him for advice on where to go for training, etc. He's been through everything you're going through, and he's happy to help. I'm sure he'll be able to help you with the armor side of things, too.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Ok,.. got my fishing up to 60 something, and my cooking is near 50, but not quite there yet.

Chylde, I fished up some nice ChainMail, see if you think it's worth auctioning...

Chest Armor Lvl 15

AC 153

+3 Stamina

+4 Strength

Durability 80/80

I put it in the bank in SW, so let me know and I can give it to ya.

I also found the Enchanter, finally discovered the "fishing lure",...., but I still need some blueprints for better "tailoring" stuff,.. and of course.. the Linen/cloth is hard to find too.

Oh well...


Fzoul

[Chylde Roland]

Hey Fzoul, that armor is pretty decent, so yes, we'll auction it. Stuff in the level 15 range and up seems to do well on auction. The linen/cloth is hard to come by, because you can't buy it. You can only find it on humanoid mobs (this is basically anything that walks on two legs and isn't undead/elemental/mechanical). I find it fairly often, so I'll start passing some of it to you. Vilya needs high level fabric, so I'll send wool and the like to him. The linen I send to you will really get you going. I'll keep my eyes open for tailoring patterns for you as well.

not to mention the guards themselves in Ironforge are level 60+
Well, yeah there, IS that... :): And you should give SW a chance, Bruenor. Imagine being there on your own at level 8! There's also an area outside of there called Westfall which is actually very good for hunters. I went from 14 to 19 by playing in that area alone. Anyway, it's all personal preference. That was where I cut my teeth, so I'm kind of biased anyway. :lol:

[Bruenor]

Well, Westfall I can handle as long as its outside, in SW I feel like a rat in a maze :lol:

I'll be heading back towards Thelsamar at first, got a few quests to clean up (hopefully no Horde mobs this time) and then, well who knows, I'll go wherever the wind takes me I guess.

[Rafal Dudek]

http://www.goodintentionsguild.info/hunters.html

for all yee hunters =]

[Chylde Roland]

Thanks for the link, Zedd!

oh, I came up with another tactic for hunters, BTW.

What I do now is use hunter's mark, then launch a serpent sting at my target, then click for my cat to attack, and while he's running over, the mob is running at me. I then use a concussion shot to slow it down, Stripe takes aggro, and I launch an arcane shot, then revert to normal shots. I use an arcane shot when it becomes available again (if needed).

It's been working very well!

[Gary V.]

Chylde, I saw your message, but I couldn't figure out how to reply. I sometimes get flustered in these online games with all the different modes of communication. I am a slow typer and still discovering how to play WoW. I will hopefully be on a ton over the next 2 weeks. Christmas break!

[Chylde Roland]

hehe, no worries at all! If someone tells you, hit R to reply to the last tell. And if you've received tells from several people, you can hit R, then hit tab to cycle through the people you can reply to. :)

[Rafal Dudek]

I bought a new gun finally =] I'm crafting my own heavy shots now (need to find those tin ores and get the stone for blasting powder) which add like extra 5dps. The gun set me back 60s but I quickly managed to regain my moneys back above 1 gold mark =]

[Gary V.]

Zedd, which is better, WoW or EQ2? I played EQ2 a bit, and I must say WoW is much more fun to me. EQ2 was definitely cool, just not as great as WoW.

[Gaim Mastr]

It's never good when I accidently leave my wallet next to my computer when I'm online.

So.... my copy should be delivered this coming Monday. :lol:

I'll need to check out the different classes and such. I'd like to bring something different to the party, so I probably won't be a Hunter, Warlock, Dwarf or Night Elf. :wink:

[Bruenor]

It's never good when I accidently leave my wallet next to my computer when I'm online.

So.... my copy should be delivered this coming Monday. :lol:

I'll need to check out the different classes and such. I'd like to bring something different to the party, so I probably won't be a Hunter, Warlock, Dwarf or Night Elf. :wink:

:lol:

:cheer:

Welcome aboard Gaim :thumbup:

Just be sure to pick something on the alliance and remember to join the Azjol-Nerub server.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Different right now would be...

A Human ( only 2 of us are human ), or Gnome.

A Priest, Warrior, Mage, Druid, Rogue, or Paladin.

This goes mainly for our Primary character that we play the most with..... I think some of us have made a few other characters to try out, but don't put in alot of playing time with those ones.

and a character that is not on the Alliance side will not be able to communitcate with us.... not even add us to the "friends" chat window, ... and are on a separate starting continent...... the only transportation available, would be Ship, or Goblin Blimp, to get over to an Alliance continent, and then every NPC would be chasing you all over the country-side.....

:lol:


Myself and Gary will most likely be the closest to your starting point, so let me know, and I'll come quest with ya.


:thumbup:




Fzoul

[SnapDad]

In two weeks I'm getting my copy. I'm gonna be a gnome!
Consequently in 2 weeks is when I get back from vacation!

[Chylde Roland]

That's cool Gaim. I must admit I've learned that lesson too. I try to keep my wallet as far away from my PC as possible. :lol: You should check out a human Paladin. Paladins are tanks, but they have magic, too! And you should see the size of those hammers...

And SnapDad, I hear gnomes get all the girls, so that's a very good choice!

Gary, I played EQ2 for a few weeks, and I felt much the same as you. After getting a few toons up to the early teens, I quickly discovered it was getting harder and harder to play solo, and things were getting really routine. One of the most common things I hear about WOW is that no matter how long you're online, you always feel like you've gotten ahead. And here I am at just about 21, and it's been a breeze, and I've done a HUGE chunk of that solo.

[NotSoFast]

I just hit level 16 with my Dwarf Hunter and getting here was MUCH easier and more fun than getting to even level 10 in EQ2. I made my gold and mailed it to Celyse tonight before I logged off. I went from having 57 silver (100 silver = one gold) to having to having 1 gold, 27 silver when I mailed the guild money. I also gained half a level from about 9:00 until midnight. Try that in EQ2. That was from killing animals a good bit lower in level than me strictly for their leather hides. Not even trying to hunt higher level monsters for experience.

I think we could use a good priest or paladin in the guild. We are chock-a-block full of hunters. :joker: I am starting a Night Elf Rogue as an alt with Herbalism/Alchemy as his skills. Gonna make some poison. :doa:

[Gary V.]

I have a level 7 warrior, but I don't mind starting over as a paladin or priest if you guys think one of those would be more beneficial to the guild. My only condition is I won't play as a gnome.

[Chylde Roland]

Wow, what a good night for me, too. I went from just about 21 to being 1/4 of the way to 23, so I really pounded the pavement for my XP today!

As an update, I crrently have 7 gold toward the guild. So we need one more member (Gary!) and a few more gold and we're there. Then we start saving all over again for our tabard, but I thing that can wait until we get a bit bigger and as our average level increases. The main thing is to get the guild registered, and I imagine that will be happening fairly soon.

Gary, if you're happy playing as a warrior, please continue to do so. If you decide to restart, your best bet may be a paladin b/c of the healing spells and the tanking ability.

Anyway, really tired tonight, so I'm off to bed. Happy adventuring everyone, and see you online soon!

By the way Glenn, when you saw me at the auction house, that was seconds before my DSL crapped out again and I was off for almost a half hour before it came back up.

I wasn't being rude!

[Bruenor]

I had a good night too. Levelled up a couple of times, upgraded my pets skills, and did a couple of quests with Cap'n that were a complete blast (even if we died more than enough times at first).

Pretty soon we'll (wife and I) will be contributing to the guild fund as well and we'll get that on track too.

Only ran into one problem though. I had a severe case of lag suddenly which got me killed and then disconnected shortly after. Since my corpse was lying on the ground when I got disconnected I couldn't get back into the game for about 30 minutes because it said my character was already in use. Meh, I needed a break then anyway.

Need sleep... :sleep:

[Cap'n]

Man Bruenor, that was a complete blast. That has to be the best time I've had in WoW yet! :thumbup:

I think we did well. We had little problems with the mine untill we got surrounded waiting for the quest pieces to respawn. The long hike back to our corpse didn't help either since by the time we got there the mobs had respawned.

However we totally cleaned house on the Bingles quest. For those who don't know, the second half of the Bingles quest requires you to find his stolen tools. The tools are on an island in the middle of the Loch. Problem is that the island has several encampments of Skullthumpers and Seers. But it was nothing that a little teamwork couldn't handle. We started out on the southern shore and slowly moved inland wiping each encampment out as we went. We only ran into real trouble at the last encampment. It had 4 Skullthumpers and 4 Seers that respawned seconds after they were killed. Even when we had the entire group wiped out, only Bruenor had time to loot for quest items. So we had to go back and hit them again for me. This time Bruenor and our pets kept them occupied while I ran in and looted the chest.

Good times. :lol:

Other than that I've been spending much of my time skinning and leatherworking. I figure I'll have all journeyman skills maxed by the end of the weekend. This way I can provide myself and anyone else with tough leather armor. Almost all the stuff I can make now will easily give you a 200+ armor boost.

I'll look into voice chat today. It's been awhile since I messed with that stuff, but from what I remember we'll need a few people to host a channel. Those with powerfull rigs shouldn't have a problem. Unless someone has a unused pc that they can use as a server to host a dedicated channel.

[Rafal Dudek]

ok Chylde... I'll mail you some goldies today =]

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Cap'n, that would be my biggest complaint so far in this game. The monster re-spawn seems to be a bit quick. I can take out a bad guy relatively quick, but by the time I take out the 3rd bad guy,... the 1st one has spawned again,... and if I'm not far enough away from him,..then I get jumped from out of nowhere.

It's made it pretty difficult to complete a quest sometimes.


:mad:



Fzoul

[Rafal Dudek]

Fzoul I think Blizzard said this is a temporary thing because of so many people who joined the game at once =]

When they'll lower it I have no idea, maybe sometime in January where population moves on elsewhere =]

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Oh ok,... that makes me feel better then. Thx for the info.


:thumbup:




Fzoul

[Gary V.]

Looks like WoW is gonna get my vote for GoTY. I am really enjoying it, especially since I have Fzoul to group with. I'm not terribly impressed with the warrior class so far, but I hear it gets better. I may at some point start a mage.

I have a feeling I will be forking out money for this game for some time to come. All my other games are getting totally ignored. Fun game, anyone who is on the fence should get it. I waited two weeks and now I wish I had jumped on from the beginning.

[Chylde Roland]

I formed our guild, but posted the news in a separate thread because there's some large images involved. Check it out here: http://forums.gamers.org/showthread.php?t=3927

[Cap'n]

Oh, about voice chat......


It seems that there is still only 2 choices. One is Roger Wilco, and the other is Ventrilo. From previous use I recall Ventrilo being much better. However it requires a server and more *umph*. Roger Wilco just requires someone to start a channel. Even with Roger Wilco, the one hosting should have good specs for their rig. If we can get it running right, I think Roger Wilco will work fine. It has less features and doesn't sound as good, but it does have "push to talk", which is nice.

Links:

Roger Wilco (http://rogerwilco.gamespy.com/products/rw/index.html)

Ventrilo (http://www.ventrilo.com/)

[Fzoulcmbyl]

I already have it installed, so let me know and I I'll join the channel.

I wish that MSN messenger supported more than 2 people, because thats the "clearest" voice chat I have experienced.


Fzoul

[Chylde Roland]

I have it now too, so let me know. :)

[Rafal Dudek]

get the Cosmos UI... I just tried it today and it kicks ass. Most usefull thing ever.

[Ojnod]

What about team speak?

There are public teamspeaker servers you can join, the problem is, you have no control over who is coming in to the channel.

If you host on your own, the upload speed of your connection matters more than machine specs.

[Chylde Roland]

You got linkage for that Cosmo thingy, Zed? Is this the same one Fzoul posted in another thread? (I can't find that thread, so I'm asking here. :):)

[SupaTroopa]

Hey guys, it'll take me a little while to get into the game and get going, but, just wondering what realm y'all are on and the name of the guild?

Basically whatever basic info I need to join? (if that is ok with everyone of course)

What's the one class/prof that the guild would need/want that you don't currently have?

Is that too many questions?

I'll of course post my char's name etc.., later tonight when I get on. Obviously I'll be a noob/low level runt for a while compared to the rest. ;)

[NotSoFast]

Link to Cosmos UI. Here. (http://www.cosmosui.com/)

[NotSoFast]

Hey guys, it'll take me a little while to get into the game and get going, but, just wondering what realm y'all are on and the name of the guild?

Basically whatever basic info I need to join? (if that is ok with everyone of course)

What's the one class/prof that the guild would need/want that you don't currently have?

Is that too many questions?

I'll of course post my char's name etc.., later tonight when I get on. Obviously I'll be a noob/low level runt for a while compared to the rest. ;)

We're on the Azjol-Nerub server on the Alliance side. If you pick Horde, you will not be able to communicate with the rest of us or even enter our lands without guards killing you.

So far we have hunters galore. :crazy: They are a very fun class. I don't thinl we have any priests. We have a warrior or 2 and a druid, i think. It doesnt really matter from what I can tell. Play what you think you would enjoy.

As far as professions, we have several Leatherworkers and I know Zed is an engineer. We probably need an Alchemist to make potions. I have an alt character that is a Night Elf druid that will be an Alchemist. He will have Alchemy and Herbalism. That way he can find his own herbs to make his potions. There are pairs of skills that wor well together. Leatherworking/Skinning. Mining/Engineering or Mining/Blacksmith. With these combos, you can find your own materials for the profession you are paired with.

Copy the list of names on the first page of this post and enter them in your friend's list when you get online. Look us up. I am sure we would be able to help you out if you need anything.

[Chylde Roland]

So we finally brought you over to the dark side, heheheh... of course you're more than welcome to join us!

We're on the Azjol-Nerub server, playing for the Alliance faction. We definitely need a paladin or priest or even more warriors in the guild (I think we need more tanks), which is called Forces of Lordaeron. Don't worry about being new, we can provide you with armor and money, etc. to get you going. If you're interested in magic, we currently only have two warlocks, and no mages. So that'd be cool too. But don't let what we need limit your choice, please play what you want to play!

I also need to start applying ranks to our members. I haven't really done anything in that regard yet, so I think I'm currently the only one who can recruit or boot members to and from the guild. So you're all history now! hahaha! :lol:

There's different levels, with different capabilities in the guild setup. Some people don't like being able to recruit (to fend off newbies begging to join up, etc... All you have to say is: "I can't recruit you, sorry." But I have yet to run into that in WoW).

Anyway, let me know if you want officer status and I'll make the needed changes. Basically, officers can do anything I can do except for disbanding the guild. I can also post more infor about the options available, in case we want to set up custom ranks, etc.

[SupaTroopa]

Cool, thanks Glenn and Chylde, makes sense, I hope to be on later tonight if I have time, and will attempt to contact whomever is on if that's ok in order to join.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

If you play as a Human, you will start out right near myself and Gary, and we will help you out as much as possible.

See you later.


Fzoul

[Chylde Roland]

Link to Cosmos UI. Here. (http://www.cosmosui.com/)

Thanks Glenn!
:D:

[Rafal Dudek]

yea, love that UI =]

Now if I can get the autolooting to work....

[Cap'n]

We could always use more dwarfs!

Be what ever you want Supa. We could use more tanks, a paladin would be nice (but skip those annoying humans, be a dwarf!) with his tanking ability and buffs, but hunters get nice tanks with their pets. Did I mention how much I love being a hunter? :p:

Don't listen to fzoul, be a dwarf and me and Bruenor can help you out. :):

[SupaTroopa]

I "think" I want to be a Shaman or a Paladin - but will do some reading/investigating once I get the game up and running to see which race/class is best for me.

Are hunters the only pet based classes?

Thanks for the aid offers, I'll definitely be in touch!

[Chylde Roland]

Warlocks get pets, too.

Keep in mind if you want to join our guild that you have to pick an alliance race. The Shaman is the Horde version of the Alliance's Paladin. They're not identical, but they're "functionally" the same, with their buffs and heals.

[SupaTroopa]

Ah gotcha, I'll just keep shut until i get the game and can look at the manual. ;) (jesus I'm bored at work this week it's so slow thus I'm on here all day)

so maybe i'll try a paladin or Warlock then....thanks chylde.

[Gaim Mastr]

I've just created a character and am in-game for the next several hours trying to figure stuff out and get started.

Name = Darnova
Race = Nightelf
Class = Rogue


The guild name is "Forces of Lordaeron" ??

As in.... "Forces of Lord Aaron" ?! :face11:

good grief !! :p:

Excuse me, waitress, could I get that ego check now, please?

:wink:

[SupaTroopa]

almost...patched....and of course I read the license agreement 3 times over before I decided to enter and hit "agree"...I take it "Lord Aaron" is Chylde? :)

I'm still deciding between a Paladin and a Druid myself...will know here shortly.

[Chylde Roland]

The guild name is "Forces of Lordaeron" ??

As in.... "Forces of Lord Aaron" ?! :face11:

good grief !! :p:

Excuse me, waitress, could I get that ego check now, please?

:wink:

um, no Gaim. The human kingdom in this game is known as Lordaeron. Nice try though. And trust you to make that connection, it didn't even occur to me, but now I'm never going to hear then end of it. :rolleyes:

:lol:

[Gaim Mastr]

I've been reading that the Paladins are super powerful. Some are calling for them to be nerfed.

[SupaTroopa]

Alright I'm in:

Name: Narim

Night Elf Druid, level 4-5 by the time I log off tonight. I think I'm in Teldrassil, in Shadow Glen the starting area for now.

[Gaim Mastr]

Are the XP proportional to not only your own level vs the mob level, but also to how much damage you do to it versus the other person in your party ??

I ask, because Fzoul & I teamed up to fight mobs that were 2 and 3 times his own level. I did most of the damage and would get around 40 XP for each one, but he said that he was only getting around 20 XP for each of them. :wtf:

[Fzoulcmbyl]

I believe it's mostly related to who attacks the creature 1st. Since you were attacking first, the XP was based on your level in relation to it.

In our specific case, I was not concerned with leveling my character, but rather wanted to group with you and whoever else, and have fun.

It would benefit me more, if I were to take the same quest as you, because I would get much more XP upon completing the quest, than I got just hunting baddies..... and that would benefit you also.


Fzoul

[Cap'n]

Well after being bored silly looking for non-elite quests, I finally grouped up with non guild members to tackle the elite "Mercenaries" quest in Loch Modan. Let me tell ya that it was a complete blast. I ended up teaming with a mage, paladin and warrior. Things for the most part went well. I used my tracking abilities to spot the mobs we needed for questing and to keep us out of trouble. I got to use my pull ability to bring the mobs to us. Plus my bear got to protect someone besides me. I had her constantly guard the mage, seeing how she was most likely to get creamed.

Things went well till the spawns started kicking in. After clearing out most of the main cave, we stepped out to pick off any straglers. Problem was that shortly after we stepped out the mobs respawned and crowded us big time. We still made it through (dieing three times, the second time we got resurrected) and completed the quest. Sadly we couldn't complete another elite quest while we were there. There is a boss there that we just couldn't find in time. Oh well, there's always another time.

Speaking of that quest though, I think it would be a great practice of teamwork for our guild. There are a few others that need to finish this quest, and a few that can obtain the quest and still get alot out of it. The mobs are elite lev 19-22 orges. So consider this a call to arms. :thumbup:

That's twice now that I've grouped with strangers and had a good time. I just hope my luck continues to hold.

[SupaTroopa]

Most MMORPG's have a minimum amt of damage you must do to get XP from a kill when you are on a team - but they are all different so I'm curious how it works in WoW myself.

Typically if you are more than 2-3 levels higher than your teammate, your lower level teammate will get robbed of XP if you are doing a lot of the damage/killing, or even if he is - the closer in level you are to one another, the more XP you "both" get. If you're too far apart from one another, one or both will get the short end of the XP stick no matter what you kill.

Sorry if that's all obvious, not sure what levels you guys were when you were grouping up.

But again I'm curious if WoW is more damage dependent than other MMORPG's - such as AO - where as long as you contribute to I think 10% of the damage to a creature on a team - you get full XP credit for the kill. (otherwise healers would get screwed for instance - so I tend to like that set-up). But you still need to group with people who are close to your level obviously.

[Bruenor]

So very tired...

Hey Cap'n, glad to see you got through the Ogres, I need 2 more enforcers and 4 brutes still (plus the item to complete the dam quest). Grouped up with Donag yesterday for a bit, and then Mystre came along to (from our previous quests Cap'n). I just couldn't get them both together at the same time. I think the three us of us could do it, but alas it was not meant to be last night.

Anyway, if any of the guild members are in Loch Modan, care for a little grouping to help a little Dwarf out some big mean nasty Ogres? Or how about the elite quest in Gnomeregan?

If not, I have some non-elite quests in Spock world that I picked up after falling out of the boat (more like the boat disappeared from beneath my feet) and swimming all the way to shore.

I'll say I won't be on tonight, but I will. I can say I'm going to bed early for once and only play for an hour or so, but I won't. With that said, I'll be on around 8-8:30 mountain tonight. See you guys there.

[Gaim Mastr]

Villian of the hourglass, thy name is World of Warcraft !! :mad2:



:lol:

[Chylde Roland]

I'd be up for a little ogre bashing, definitely. Vilya probably would be, too. Then maybe we could form up a raid in Redridge, we're having some trouble with gnolls that we could use a hand on. You higher level hunters would definitely be a big help to us, and we can share the quest with you.

Oh, and he has a very nice little ability called teleport. Catch is, he needs two other players with him as helpers, but he can pull other players from anywhere in Azeroth to his location. This means we won't necessarily need to run the Menethil to Ironforge gauntlet to get people there (or to Stormwind) anymore. He told me if he's on and he has two of us present, no problem, we'll teleport!

For the XP sharing thing: WoW works on a level sytem. The higher level players in a group will get XP first, before it goes to lower level PCs. This means the higher level character could take almost all the XP from a kill before any is doled out after that. That's why I refused to group with you guys in Shadow Glenn last night: When you kill things far below your level, you get no XP. Since I would be getting no XP, you guys would have gotten no XP for your kills, either.

Anyway, that's not a big deal because we higher level players can still follwo you and provide backup if you get jumped. Hope that helps!

[Gary V.]

Villian of the hourglass, thy name is World of Warcraft !! :mad2:



:lol:
Aye, tis villian of the marriage as well. :whip:

[Chylde Roland]

Just to add to my post about XP: when you're grouped I don't think the who hits first matters so much as the higher levels, but I'm not 100% sure about this.

The reason I'm not sure is due to some experimenting I've been doing with my pet. Since hunters are essentially grouped with their pets (the animals have their own XP count, and level like you do), I think similar rules may apply. For example, if I let my pet hit a mob first, sometimes my XP seems a bit less. But if I hit first, then send Stripe in to take aggro off me, the XP I gain seems to rise a bit. Guess I'll have to read up about this on the WoW community forums.

Also, I loaded up CosmosUI, and I love it. The extra icon solts alone are worth the price of admission, IMHO. But it's free anyway, so...

Also, very good seeing Gaim and SupaTroopa in game as well. Our guild is growing quite nicely!

[Gary V.]

I am attempting to download the update, and I get a message that says I need to open some ports to increase dl speed. How do I open these ports?

[Chylde Roland]

it depends on your firewall, you should have a configuration interface that would allow you to open those ports. What kind of firewall are you using, hardware or software? If software, which one?

[Gary V.]

I'm not aware of any firewall. I do have a router. Would that act as a firewall?

[Rafal Dudek]

I'm not aware of any firewall. I do have a router. Would that act as a firewall?

yes, look at my post in the anarchy online thread on how to unlock ports

[Gary V.]

I don't understand all that. I need to download something called Azerus? I have a Linksys router as well.

[Chylde Roland]

Yes, most routers come with a hardware firewall, so that would be what you have there. It's basically making your PC invisible to the Net, so Bit Torrent is having trouble connecting.

Which model is your router, Gary? You should be able to find this info on the bottom of it, there will be a sticker with model and serial numbers; all I want is the model number. Then I'll see if I can find a tutorial you can use to learn how to open the correct ports.

The other option is to connect your Net connection directly to the PC doing the downloading, but only for the duration of the download. I wouldn't recommend doing that though, because it will open your PC right up to the Net.

[Bruenor]

The other option is to connect your Net connection directly to the PC doing the downloading, but only for the duration of the download. I wouldn't recommend doing that though, because it will open your PC right up to the Net.

Following Raf's guide does the same thing though (opening your PC for all to see).

Basically that's what I did in all honesty Gary. For the download I simply plugged directly into my cable modem and let it go. If I'm going to be open for the whole world to see anyway, why take the extra step and screw around with opening ports.

EDIT: And yes BitTorrent still blows!

[Gary V.]

Model is befsr41 Version 3. There is a tutorial on Blizzard's site but I can't get it to work. It says to type in my IP address in the address bar, but it doesn't take me to the Linksys toolbar like it says it will.

[Gary V.]

So just disconnect from the router and plug in directly to pc. Duh. Why didn't I think of that. Easy fix. Thanks, Bruenor.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Is the server down for anyone else?

I know it says they are doing maintenence, but the notice says they should have been finished at 10:00am.... it's now 10:35am.


:wtf:



Fzoul

[Gaim Mastr]

Torrent blows... period. :p:

I refuse to open my system up to the world just to get an extra 3 or 4 KBps, which is all you benefit from opening ports and such. The whole "Firewall causing slowdowns" thing is a bunch of BS misdirection from those who force the use of torrent downloads, in my opinion.

Might as well just take the slow download, since the servers are all offline now. Have been offline since 6am. They hoped for only 4-hours of down time, but they're heading past 6 1/2 hours now.

I hear tell this new 36 MB patch includes reducing the costs of Rogue training. Which is good, since apparently Rogues pay easily 10x more than any other professions at all levels. When I'd checked on trainer last night, some level 1 and 2 skills were being measured in gold, not silver. :eek:


NOTE 1: Just a word to the wise, I've been reading of a nasty bug that lets all Orc Rogues perform their massive combo attacks endlessly. Stories of low level characters wading through 50+ level mobs and even videos of the bug have been popping up. So my advice to everyone... RUN away from Orc Rogues until Blizzard fixes the bug. I'll let you know if I hear anything more on this.


NOTE2: Chylde, I think we could use a little more info in our list of guild members. I'm likely to pick some professions here in the next few days and I'd like to balance what I pick with what others pick. For instance, if we've already got good leather workers, I might take engineering, even though it wouldn't benefit me directly (can't wear or weild heavy armor/weapons), I could use my skill to trade stuff to people with good leather skills or such. Same with alchemy or cooking.

[Rafal Dudek]

unplugging router is too much trouble to patch a game.

BitTorrent pwnz, only for the people who know how to work it =P

BTW Gary... your router IP address is 192.168.1.1
username and password is always admin/admin

[Gary V.]

Hell, unpluging router didn't work either because I can't connect to the internet without using my router for some reason. This is total bs.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Ok,..I'll start it off...

I have Tailoring... which will allow me to craft Cloth Armor.

and Enchanting...now if I read this correctly, I can only Enchant something that is placed in the "Non-trading" slot of the "trade" window.

So, if I want to Enchant something for myself, I would first need to trade it to one of you,.. and then Enchant it, and then have you trade it back to me.

Otherwise I could just Enchant something for any of you. So far, this is the only skill/trade that I have not started on, because the ingredients are so expensive, and I have yet to figure out how to "dis-enchant" an item, in order to get my own ingredients. I plan to test this out on my old staff, since Bruenor sent me a new one.

:thumbup:


Fzoul

[Bruenor]

unplugging router is too much trouble to patch a game.

BitTorrent pwnz, only for the people who know how to work it =P

BTW Gary... your router IP address is 192.168.1.1
username and password is always admin/admin

Yeah well, what good is Torrent to the masses then? I don't think I should learn a whole new skill set and prove I'm special just to frigging download an update.

As far as opening ports and unplugging the cable and which is too much work, that's debatable. I'll let you know after I return from my community college course on "Torrent for Dummies" and "How to download MMO updates efficiently using Torrent". After all that, maybe downloading the update will be less work. Oh wait... :p: :rolleyes:

[Rafal Dudek]

Yeah well, what good is Torrent to the masses then? I don't think I should learn a whole new skill set and prove I'm special just to frigging download an update.

As far as opening ports and unplugging the cable and which is too much work, that's debatable. I'll let you know after I return from my community college course on "Torrent for Dummies" and "How to download MMO updates efficiently using Torrent". After all that, maybe downloading the update will be less work. Oh wait... :p: :rolleyes:

The system works, which means that the problem is on your end. So dont go blaming torrents =]

Blame Blizzard for using this silly thing and their crappy client they use for it.

[Bruenor]

Yeah, that's my point. IF torrent works, why are the majority of people having problems with it? And yes I have tried other clients and other than downloading items of questionable legaility (TV shows and movies) it has never worked any faster for me than your standard FTP/HTTP download.

Torrent still blows until it is standardized for the masses, repeatedly tested and proven to be as reliable and as fast as the standard FTP/HTTP download. Sure it's my problem, but I'm not going to even bother messing with Torrents if I don't have to when the alternatives are still there and just as fast. I have no need or desire to be "leet" (however you want to spell it using netspeak).

[Cap'n]

Gary, I have the same Linksys router and it couldn't be easier to open ports. Just do the following....

Type in the ip address of your router, not your PC. This is always 192.168.1.1 , and if you have never setup a username and password the defualt is to leave the userfield blank and type in admin in the password. (NOTE: Make sure while you're in there opening ports that you create a username and password. This is a big must.)

Once you are in click the advanced tab, then the forwarding tab. Under the "Service Port Range" type the following:
3724-3724
6112-6112
6881-6999

Then under "Protocol" choose the following:
TCP or Both for each one. I use TCP.

Then for each one you need to put your IP address. You can find this by clicking start->run-> then type ipconfig.

Click apply and you're done!

[Rafal Dudek]

How you know its "majority of people having problems with it?" ?? Did you go up and ask each person? =P

BitTorrent is a p2p system, meaning you connect with other people and share the file(s) downloaded, thus you need the ports opened for good flow of traffic.

Its really not all that difficult to open the ports to get it to work. Not sure why you making such a big deal out of it. It only takes 4 clicks to unlock ports so =P

Since the beggining of BitTorrent while using it, I've never had problems. Anything I download I usually get almost the max speed.

And if majority of people having problems with it... why did some statistic not to long ago account for 35% of internet traffic was through BitTorrent? :p:

[Cap'n]

Even though Blizzard is the only one where I have to open up ports for, I still don't mind. It's super easy and everyone that has a router should learn how to do it anyway. Most people just plug in their router without bothering to configure it. Bad idea.

As Zed said and I've shown, it takes like 5 clicks and your done. I don't see the big deal. I also almost always get max speed this way.

[Bruenor]

I can only take my sample from this board and Avault. Of the regular members on both boards there are only a total of 3 people who totally love it. Not a large sample size but given that these boards generally represent a more real look at the general gaming population, its safe to say.

As for 35% of traffic being Torrents, well Piracy is a problem these days in case you haven't heard... :p: And torrents work better for pirates, as their FTP/HTTP web based sites keep getting shut down.

Torrents:

Pirates and Illegal Content Downloaders = Love It
The rest of us = Generally... Meh

[Bruenor]

Even though Blizzard is the only one where I have to open up ports for, I still don't mind. It's super easy and everyone that has a router should learn how to do it anyway. Most people just plug in their router without bothering to configure it. Bad idea.

As Zed said and I've shown, it takes like 5 clicks and your done. I don't see the big deal. I also almost always get max speed this way.

See, did that and like Gaim, I experienced a whopping 3-5 Kbps improvement :rolleyes:

Now that I have to do that with my wife playing and updating, I'm getting her to start now, it might be ready when I get home in five hours.

EDIT: And yes the improvement isn't that great either direct connecting, but it is a little faster for me. MMO's shouldn't be using Torrents anyway, you're paying a monthly fee, they should provide the bandwidth and push the updates on you, not rely on the users of their game's bandwidth to share the update.

[Rafal Dudek]

Whats your upload speed? Because if you're uploading more then 80% of your max upload speed, it will choke your download unless you're on fiber =P

And Dave... the update for me finished faster then I had a chance to read the patch notes =P

[Bruenor]

Whats your upload speed? Because if you're uploading more then 80% of your max upload speed, it will choke your download unless you're on fiber =P

And Dave... the update for me finished faster then I had a chance to read the patch notes =P

You must be a slow reader :p: :lol:

I just called the wife at home to start the updates, we'll see how things go this time.

EDIT: Since I'm at work right now I can't see the interface and can't remember, is there a way on Blizzard's client to adjust the upload speed? If so, how?

[Rafal Dudek]

You must be a slow reader

I'm actually a fast reader =P

[Chylde Roland]

Ok, I've updated the first post to include tradeskills. If I didn't know, I put "not known" and if I made a mistake, please let me know. I was going from memory. I can also add people's alts to the post, let me know your name/class if you want me to do that for your alts.

I know I mentioned I would be switiching to H/A but changed my mind. I'm going to stick with S/L for now. When they implement a woodworking skill that will allow me to make arrows, I'll make a change then.

[Bruenor]

Ok, I've updated the first post to include tradeskills. If I didn't know, I put "not known" and if I made a mistake, please let me know. I was going from memory. I can also add people's alts to the post, let me know your name/class if you want me to do that for your alts.

I know I mentioned I would be switiching to H/A but changed my mind. I'm going to stick with S/L for now. When they implement a woodworking skill that will allow me to make arrows, I'll make a change then.

Oh sure, you want to talk about the game.. :lol: :p:

Here's ours:

Mandorak: Skinning/Leatherwork
Chanasmira: Herbalist/Alchemy

Err... Maybe I should have read the first post prior to responding, hehe. Need sleep :blush:

[Chylde Roland]

Oh sure, you want to talk about the game.. :lol: :p:
hehe, yeah, I'm funny that way. :):

Make sure you rest up this afternoon for those ogres tonight!

:yes:

[Bruenor]

So who's going to be on tonight and where in general are you going to be?

I my recent travels to various places I know little about I ended up picking up a ton of quests all over the place. I think I have some generic Night Elf quests that I picked up after falling off the boat, some Stormwind quests that take me to places I've never heard of before, one quest that takes me to Menethil Harbor (I'm going to walk it alone :yes: ) and a few elite quests in Gnomeregan and a couple more where I'm not sure where they are at the moment.

I wouldn't mind meeting up with a few guild members wherever they are located. I'm feeling a little adventerous now and I want to explore the world as it were, and if I can complete a few quests, or help someone else complete quests, along the way all the better.

[Cap'n]

I'll be on tonight, as usual, but I have to be off by like 9pm. :(:


I'll probably be exploring all day today as well. I've picked up quite a few quests from the dwarven area, but most are elite. I would love to do the ones in Gnomeregan, but they are elite as well. So I'm gonna explore the human world some, and maybe the wetlands as well.

[SupaTroopa]

Hey Fzoul or anyone who will be on today/tonight...

If anybody would be willing to help me get through a lvl 8-11 dungeon for a quest so I can get a nice staff I would really appreciate it. It's the cave with the "Ambushers" (forgetting their names) on the starting island, no way I can do it solo any longer.

Fzoul if you're still playing your druid and know what I speak of, let me know if you can so we can do it. There's a half foot of snow on the ground here and I can't do anything other than sit here and play WoW...such a shame.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Sure, I be glad to help you out,.. I believe I have that quest too....it's the one that the 3 Night Elf Patrol guards riding on Cats give you right?

Anyway, if you don't mind giving me some time to do errand and lunch, I'll come on about 2:30pm and we can do the quest together.

( it's about 12:15pm right now. )

Bruenor or Gary, if you are going to be around the Stormwind area tonight sometime, I have several quests concentrated in a small area down the road as you are entering the Westfall farms. They comprise lvl 14-16 creatures, but the quests seem to be fairly quick ones. I tested the XP of a lvl 14 Harvest creature, and got 200Xp for killing him.....and then also got 500Xp for just delivering a recepie from one farmhouse to the other.


:thumbup:



Fzoul

[Gaim Mastr]

If I'm around, I'll help out too, ST. I'm lvl 11 now. I went through that cave yesterday with a lvl 10 hunter and we just barely made it without getting killed. There were bodies and skeletons lying all over the place. :yes:

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Well, I've been trying to connect for the last 20 min, and I can't get in..... so I guess they are down at the moment...I'll keep trying.




Fzoul

[SupaTroopa]

Yeah hopefully they'll be up shortly. Cap'n helped me finish that quest before Gaim logged on - but if you still have it and need help - let me know as I'm still in that area. They are very worthwhile (got a nice cape and staff and mucho xp).

[Cap'n]

I may make a secondary character as a paladin. We don't have one and it sounds like fun. The buffs sure wouldn't hurt in a party either.

Though I will never give up my hunter. His skills are just too cool and it's nice having a pet. Not to mention that he looks awsome. :yes:

[Chylde Roland]

Not to mention that he looks awsome. :yes:

Now if only you could do something about the smell!

:eek:

[Chylde Roland]

And you HAVE to check this out:

http://www.gamespy.com/articles/572/572326p1.html?fromint=1

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Chylde, I updated your 1st post with some of my info.... just wanted to let you know I had my fingers in the cookie jar...

:wtf:


:D:



Fzoul

[Gary V.]

Is there a way to turn the camera around to look at the front of your toon in the game?

[MasterChief]

Hi guys. I just got the game. I'll create a toon and post my info here as soon as the servers come back up. Woohoo!

[Chylde Roland]

hehe, no worries, fzoul!

Gary, press and hold the left mouse button, and move to turn the camera.

Cool MC! :thumbup:

[Bruenor]

And you HAVE to check this out:

http://www.gamespy.com/articles/572/572326p1.html?fromint=1

:lol:

That's friggin' me! That's how I play! lol, great stuff Chylde :thumbup: .

[Rafal Dudek]

And you HAVE to check this out:

http://www.gamespy.com/articles/572/572326p1.html?fromint=1


:lol3:

I can imagine other dwarves doing that same thing =P

[SupaTroopa]

Is there a way to turn the camera around to look at the front of your toon in the game?

The only way I know of is to sit down, then hold down your ctrl key and the right mouse button and spin the camera look around to view yourself from the front. Stand up, but don't move any of the movement keys and you can look at yourself standing, but it'll spin back around to the back of you once you move.

Maybe someone knows of a key I don't.

[MasterChief]

gah this is irritating...I've installed the game and now I'm trying to create an account...but now, after I enter my cd key and the security code it just throws some stupid http status 500 error or something...

HTTP Status 500 -

Exception report

The server encountered an internal error () that prevented it from fulfilling this request.

Apache Tomcat/5.0.27

..is basically what the page says. I'm guessing the problem isn't mine? I wasn't able to find anything on this on blizzard's tech support..might this have something to do with the fact that their game servers are down right now??

[Rafal Dudek]

might be

Keep trying though and check this out:
http://media.gamespy.com/columns/image/article/574/574213/world-of-warcraft-ogre-killing-in-56-simple-steps-20041217001109153.jpg

[Ojnod]

And you wonder why I am waiting a few months to get WoW :p:

That chat box makes my eyes burn. Hopefully once their free month runs out and their mommies yell at them for playing too much they will all leave and I can come play :):

But I am having fun with EQ2 and SWG right now.

[Bruenor]

And you wonder why I am waiting a few months to get WoW :p:

That chat box makes my eyes burn. Hopefully once their free month runs out and their mommies yell at them for playing too much they will all leave and I can come play :):

But I am having fun with EQ2 and SWG right now.

Hehe.

First of all, I have never seen anything like that yet.

And before you act all high and mighty there Donjo... :p: :p: :p:

http://www.thedauntless.com/cecil.html

Because the guilds in EQ2 actually have to make their own fun, apparently the game doesn't provide it. You wanna know why EQ2 isn't my game? Because of people like these...

This little childish spat ended up on Fark and various other websites around the world, hehe.

Nice and childish, but hey you cast the first stone Donjo.

In actuality of course, EVERY game has their idiots (it's just that EQ2's are bigger :p: )

Word of caution on the link, there is some extreme language and some sexually suggestive material.

[Ojnod]

I never denied that EQ2 didn't have those noobs too, however, in my personal experiences with WoW (through beta, then through watching my friends play) it seems that there is a younger crowd playing the game. This is a crowd that I am part of... but don't want to associate myself with because they make people like me look bad.

Plus when I play MMO's I play them to grind and get as high as possible as fast as possible, from what I hear there have been maxed characters in WoW for quite a while, and that just came out. In EQ2, only the most hardcore people who have multiple people playing a single account have reached 50 already and that was just a day or so ago. I have friends who have quit already because they got bored in their mid 40's and this was a week ago. If you are a casual gamer, maybe WoW is for you, but I just don't see much of an end game myself. According to interviews I have read from players that have maxed out their characters in WoW, many of them feel the same way.

[Bruenor]

OK, whatever man. You play what you like right?

There is a vast difference between servers on WoW though, and many members of our guild here at 3DG are not casual players, unless you're the only HC player here. I have not run into any idiots, although according the WoW's boards many people are migrating to our server because we are the most mature server out there. I don't deny they exist though, though just in my casual close to 100 hours of playtime, I haven't seen one on our server. From what I understand, if you stay away from the PVP servers, you stay away from the idiots. The PVP servers on WOW are filled with a ton of trash talk, max level characters, etc. But that is to be expected, and least they created a special designated server for those said idiots, also known as a PVP server.

I've also yet to see one level 60 character, but if it took me 90-100 hours to get to 20, I can safely say that only the hardcore get to 60 here too.

No one is going to change anyone's mind though, but I'll take the word of people here who have played both games over someone who watched and hasn't played both release versions extensively.

[Ojnod]

That is true :p: (about changing each other's minds)

I never thought of it, but you probably are right about the whole thing with PvP servers being filled with noobs. Those servers were the only ones that I played on, and watched people play on. Playing a regular server on WoW is probably similar to playing a role playing server in other MMO's, most of the people there are more mature players.

[Rafal Dudek]

with 100 hours of play its easy to grind to lvl 40 or so. Problem is that we spent that time doing stuff like exploring and tradeskilling... not to mention walking around and making fun dwarves :p:

[MasterChief]

Alright, my char's name is Mestalas...he is a night elf warrior. Details on profession are forthecoming...

[Bruenor]

Alright, my char's name is Mestalas...he is a night elf warrior. Details on profession are forthecoming...

Aww, Man! Not another Night Elf. hehe :p:

Can someone please be a Gnome so these Spocks can stop calling us Dwarves short stacks? :blush:

Heh, Welcome aboard MC. :thumbup:

[Cap'n]

It's sad to see so much jelousy at us dwarves. I can't help that the ladies like to run their fingers through my beard. :p:


Anyway, have you guys spent time reading all the info on the WoW Community Site (http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/) , man there is alot of good info and tips there. I strongly suggest all the new players check it out.

Anytime you guys wanna control the camera, just click and hold on an empty spot in the game. Then drag and move to your harts content. Also don't forget to hit alt-z to hide the ui so your screenshots look better.

I think it would also be a good idea for us to start posting tips of our own. Alot of us keep asking how to split inventory items. Here's how...

Shift-click on the item you want to split. A box pops up asking how many you want to take from the stack. Once answered, you can now drop the split items in an empty inventory slot.

:):

[Cap'n]

Check out my custom made desktop....

http://home.comcast.net/~digitalgrunt/screens/wp_small.jpg


:):

[Chylde Roland]

oooooo I love your desktop, Cap'n!

*runs off to install photoshop*

And welcome to the addiction, MC! See you in-game. :):

[Bruenor]

oooooo I love your desktop, Cap'n!

*runs off to install photoshop*

And welcome to the addiction, MC! See you in-game. :):

Ooh! Agreed with the above :thumbup:

[Fzoulcmbyl]

That's fantastic Cap'n! :cheer:

Where did you get the "lettering" for your name?


Very nice... :p:




Fzoul <----- Jealous

[Cap'n]

I use PSP8 actually. Never could get around the price of Photo Shop. :p:

I've had that font so long Fzoul, that I don't remember where I got it. I've zipped it up and uploaded it to my site account though. Just click the link below to download it. The name of the font is called Dark Crystal.

Link (http://home.comcast.net/~digitalgrunt/screens/DarkCrystal.zip)

It's one of the hundred fonts I've collected over the years.

[Chylde Roland]

Next time we have a server outage like yesterday's, I'm going to work on some desktops! I'll be taking a ton of pics tonight to be sure I'm ready for that eventuality. :p:

And hey, if you and Bruenor are free tonight, we should see about grabbing vilya and heading to redridge to kill a dastardly gnoll known as Lt. Fangore. He's killed the two us many times, the smelly gringo. He's definitely due for a come-uppance. And Zedd and Glenn, if you guys are on you should join up, too. OOO! and maybe we could go kill off a bunch of damn dirty orcs in the tower, too!

[Rafal Dudek]

I need to kill him so I'm game =]

[Chylde Roland]

Cool. The problem we run into is that when we hit him, four of his buddies ALWAYS come with him and they completely pwn us. With four or five us there, (esp.with pets) we should be able to handle those five gnolls with no trouble at all. And if we group share the quest, even better!

[Rafal Dudek]

I need to dig up a few quests somewhere to gain a lvl or two with. All my ***** is orange/red I dont have any yellows cept for 1 eliete one involving the dead mines.

[Cap'n]

Add "Ronhelm" my alter-ego to Grunst. He's a Human Paladin with mining/blacksmithing.

And let me say......Paladins Rock! There almost as fun as hunters. Plus their buffs are amazing.

[Chylde Roland]

Already done, Cap'n. I noticed last night that he was on the guild roster, so I asked about it. I added him to the top post this morning. :):

[Drewby]

I got the game this morning! I am installing it now, and I am going to jump right in. Should be fun!

I am going to toy around a bit with the classes and races a bit, but I am leaning towards a magic-weilding NE.

I'll get back to you. :thumbup:

[NotSoFast]

Cool. Let us know your character's name and we'll get you added to the guild.

Merry Christmas.

[Quantum Ninja]

I got it the other day and created my character yesterday.
My toon's name is Aldarius. He's a human paladin that's currently lvl 12. You guys are on the Teranas server, right?

[Bruenor]

I got it the other day and created my character yesterday.
My toon's name is Aldarius. He's a human paladin that's currently lvl 12. You guys are on the Teranas server, right?

heh, nope not on that Terenas server. We're all on the Azjol-Nerub server.

[Drewby]

I am in!

Here's (http://home.insightbb.com/~drewby/Drewby.bmp) my modest Human Paladin, Level 6.

I worked all day (as if you can call it work!) playing with different races and classes, and I have come to a conclusion on this.

So here he is: Drewby - Drewby (ain't I original?) - Human Paladin!

What do I need to do to join the Guild?

[Quantum Ninja]

heh, nope not on that Terenas server. We're all on the Azjol-Nerub server.

Damn, damn, damnit. Why did I think you were on the Terenas server? I should have rechecked. Crap.

I spent all day working on my char. Well, off to start anew... :(3:

[Drewby]

Got up to level 8 tongiht! Man, this is awesome! :D:

[Bruenor]

What do I need to do to join the Guild?

Talk to Celyse, Grunst, Donag or Vilya in game (add to your friends and send them a tell) and ask one of them to add you to the cult, err... guild.

[Chylde Roland]

For future reference, Bruenor: you are also capable of adding members to the guild. :):

Welcome to the game also, QN and Drewby! Next time I see you on, send me a tell if you still need to be added.

We still nee to come up with some rules/policies around the ranks in terms of who can add/remove members, etc. I want things to be as open as possible, but we also don't want people to be added willy-nilly. I trust that the people here will be, without a doubt, valuable members of the guild. But sometimes, people want to join, and make a good case, but then turn out to be weird or non-team players or just assoholics. Other times, people want to be in a guild to get free stuff or take advantage. I guess what I'm saying is that at times we'll need to be careful about who we sign up.

Any thoughts on this?

[Rafal Dudek]

I made a new character.. a human paladin named Ereand. =]

[Bruenor]

For future reference, Bruenor: you are also capable of adding members to the guild. :):


Since when? I thought only officer's could add people to the guild? Last time I checked I wasn't one of them.

[Chylde Roland]

Really? I was pretty sure I upped you to officer status. If not, you will be next time I'm in game. Which will be very soon now.

[Bruenor]

Really? I was pretty sure I upped you to officer status. If not, you will be next time I'm in game. Which will be very soon now.

:lol:

Cap'n thought that too, kept asking me to add his new toon to the guild, I had to ask Vilya to do it.

[Cap'n]

Yeah, I tried adding my new toon to the guild with Grunst, but it wouldn't work.
But when you get time you can up my toon Ronhelm to officer status please. I may or may not stick with him now that we have a couple paladins joining the ranks.

I think we just have to use our better juudgement as too whom we let join the guild. You can usually tell those that are truely good players and helpful, compared to those that are just trying to kiss your butt to get in the guild. I have jokers all the time trying to butter me up, so to speak. :no:

[Gaim Mastr]

I think I'm becoming bored with the game already.

After playing for a while, the freshness has worn off and all I'm seeing is a game about little more than taking quests. And all of the quests seem to be in the same three flavors; go kill this creature; go fetch this item; go deliver this item.

I'm seriously considering selling my game.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Well, that's a bummer. I enjoyed questing with ya, but I only saw you on 1 time. Supa has quested with me also, but he's begun to pass me up considerably, and of course, the 20-something group is far beyond my range to group around with them.

I guess I like the exploring aspect, and the quests are just a means to get to explore new areas. If you still jump into the game now and then, I'll be happy to group-up and cruise around with you.


:):



Fzoul

[Gaim Mastr]

I've decided to try and mix things up a bit. I've created a Human Mage and am playing with that at the moment. I may end up creating a few other classes as well.

Blizzard seems to be ignoring several complaints by its own customers on its forums. I've seen various petitions and such for bug fixes as well as demands that they stop nerfing certain skills and such from certain classes.

The mage seems to be the WORST class to take. Spells from a distance being their only real ability. Yet they can't conjure pets, not even a squirrel. There's a spell or two that are bugged. Mana regen is amazingly slow. And the spells themselves don't seem to be as deadly as simply sword swings from warriors, paladins or thieves.

Right now, it seems that only Paladins and Warriors can solo with reasonable effect. Every other class needs to group to complete most missions above level 10.

Oh well, I'll keep playing for a bit longer, trying out different classes and such. But if Blizzard doesn't fix some of these class-specific bugs or over-nerfs in the next month or two, I'll most likely sell my copy. One of the reasons why there are tons of fighters (warriors, paladins, thieves), and comparitively so few spell casters (mages, druids, priests) is because of too few spells, costing too much mana, which takes too long to regen, and deals out too little damage or stat effects.

Warlock is probably the most common spellcaster, but their power is fortified by fell pets, which absorb melee damage while they stay in the background and pummel enemies with spells.

[Bruenor]

Right now, it seems that only Paladins and Warriors can solo with reasonable effect. Every other class needs to group to complete most missions above level 10.

That's a rather inaccurate statement there Gaim, and reading the WoW boards a lot of the "tech support" questions are actually more like "how do I play this game properly cause I never played an MMO before" questions. I'm a hunter at level 21 and solo'd about 90% of my quests with very few problems at all. It is getting harder now after 20, but when I group most of the time it is with someone from here. My wife is a hunter as well, at level 19 and last night was the first time she grouped with anyone at all.

Grouping with friends is where the game is at though, its a lot of fun. Last night with Chylde, when he was leading my wife and myself around was a complete blast. Of course he was half-cut and was jumping all over the map on where to go, missing quest items and such (blind leading the blind :lol: ) but it was great fun nonetheless. When you're on next, why don't you call one of us over and group up for a bit.

[Fzoulcmbyl]

I don't think I have seen many Human priests....or even priests much at all. I have heard that they are around in the Undead areas the most, but that would seem like an interesting class to me, one that has the ability to heal yourself and others, along with some fairly good "smite" spells, and can wield Maces.

Either way, I think it's best to play a class/race that you like, rather than one that's different, just because it's not what everyone is playing.

For my Warlock character, I have Solo'd about 90% of the time.... I only really needed help on 3 of the quests that I can remember. I'm now 14th level, and I've even enjoyed the crafting part, and the fishing too. I would group more often, if there members in the Human areas like Stormwind and Westfall... but it seems that most everyone is over in the NE and Ironforge areas. I play more in the Human towns than over with the Night Elves, but I'm still making progress over there too, with a 12th lvl Druid.

:thumbup:


Fzoul

[Cap'n]

I'm lev 22 and about to ding at 23, and have solo'd most of the game. The only quests that I've had to group on were the orge quests in Loch Modan. Other than that I've mostly grouped to help others out. Don't forget to explore other lands to find quests that suit your toon's level. I ran out of quests (except elite) in Loch Modan, but found tons to do in Redridge and Lakeshire. You gotta go where your level takes you, as such.....

lLevels 1-10
Elwynn
Dun Morogh
Tirisfal Glades

Level 10-20
Loch Modan
Silverpine
Westfall

Levels 15-25
Redridge

Levels 18-30
Duskwood

Levels 20-30
Hillsbrad Foothills
Wetlands


I've seen a ton of mages around too. All around the dwarven lands you'll see all kinds of gnome mages scurrying about. The little buggers are everywhere.

As far as paladins and warriors being overpowering, I'd have to disagree. Yeah, they usually last longer in battle because of their buffs, but they seem to be lacking as far as tanking goes. For example, I watched a paladin and a warrior go after a unique boar in Lakeshire, get killed, then they watched my hunter take it out all by my lonesome.

I've also have grouped with mages before and watched them deal out some massive damage. Plus they make good pullers.

[Gaim Mastr]

I'm a hunter at level 21 and solo'd about 90% of my quests with very few problems at all. It is getting harder now after 20, but when I group most of the time it is with someone from here. My wife is a hunter as well, at level 19 and last night was the first time she grouped with anyone at all.

That only proved my point. :wink:


As far as paladins and warriors being overpowering, I'd have to disagree.

I don't think any class is overpowering. But some of them are weaker, or less "able" than they should be.

I must say that I've been having a lot of fun playing my human Mage. I'm still kicking back in the human lands, though I'm not too far from Ironforge.

I've been teaming up with people off and on and it's been working out great. Up front, the Mage can get killed easily. But if a fighter of some kind takes the blows, my mage can stay in the background and deal some pretty massive damage, thus making the battles a lot shorter and saving the fighter a lot of pain.

Now that my mage can brew his own healing and armor potions, it's a lot easier going. I've got up to level 9 so far today.

[Rafal Dudek]

Now that my mage can brew his own healing and armor potions, it's a lot easier going. I've got up to level 9 so far today.

its called alchemy.

[Gaim Mastr]

its called alchemy.


It's good that you're finally learning some of the in-game terminology. :p:




:lol:

[Bruenor]

Every other class needs to group to complete most missions above level 10.


I'm a hunter at level 21 and solo'd about 90% of my quests with very few problems at all. It is getting harder now after 20, but when I group most of the time it is with someone from here. My wife is a hunter as well, at level 19 and last night was the first time she grouped with anyone at all.

That only proved my point.

:wtf:

OK Gaim, what point did I prove. you said past level 10 only Paladins and Warriors can solo. I said I am neither one of those and well passed level 10 and solo'd most of it.

I don't know what world you live in, but when someone proves a statement you make is totally inaccurate (as Cap'n has also done) it is not proving your point, it is merely proving you are making false statements based on third-party information.

[SupaTroopa]

My Druid's lvl 18 now and I've solo'd just about all of it sans a quest or two (and I've done a ton of them obviously by now).

Doing the quests in their proper order of difficulty and approaching the more difficult ones with a strategy and patience pay off usually.

The ones I mentioned in my in-game mail Chylde, I have finished actually so no bother there.

I like my Druid and started a Horde Undead Warlock which is fun too. This game is pretty amazing and I was addicted to it all weekend.

[Rafal Dudek]

Gaim is an MMORPG newbie and didnt learn yet that going to official forums is only asking for trouble =P Me wonders if he is still reading the WoW manual? =P

[Gaim Mastr]

OK Gaim, what point did I prove. you said past level 10 only Paladins and Warriors can solo. I said I am neither one of those and well passed level 10 and solo'd most of it.

I forgot that there was an actual "Warrior" class. This is what I was trying to relay...

Warrior classes = Paladin - Hunter - Warrior - Rogue

Spellcaster classes = Mage - Warlock - Druid - Priest

I wasn't trying to infer that it was impossible to solo in a non-warrior class. Only that it's a lot easier if you can stand and do melee combat, which can't really be avoided when soloing. Warlocks come the closest by having their pet jump in the way to take the damage.


Is all that clear enough for ya, cupcake ?? :p:

[Bruenor]

I forgot that there was an actual "Warrior" class. This is what I was trying to relay...

Warrior classes = Paladin - Hunter - Warrior - Rogue

Spellcaster classes = Mage - Warlock - Druid - Priest

I wasn't trying to infer that it was impossible to solo in a non-warrior class. Only that it's a lot easier if you can stand and do melee combat, which can't really be avoided when soloing. Warlocks come the closest by having their pet jump in the way to take the damage.


Is all that clear enough for ya, cupcake ?? :p:

Still doesn't work there Gaim, Supa's a druid and he solo'd most of his way too.

Don't believe the idiots on the WoW boards, plain and simple.

[Cap'n]

I think the biggest problem you'll find with mages are that they draw alot of aggro from mobs. I've teamed up with a mage a time or two and watched the entire mob ignore every other party member and make a beline for the mage.

It's almost as if a talk bubble appears over their heads....
"Oh, a frail little mage. Let's see if it squeals when you crush it."
:lol:

[NotSoFast]

"Oh, a frail little mage. Let's see if it squeals when you crush it."

Yes, they do. :yes:

[Gaim Mastr]

Okay, let's give credit where credit is due for a second here. First, I've been around a forum or two in my time. I'm pretty gosh darn good at differentiating between the foolish and the reasonable when reading through threads.

Second, there are a fair number of people on the official forums who've been with this game since beta first opened and who now have extremely high level characters..... several characters.

So yes, there are newbies screaming about things that they don't understand. But there are also people whose knowledge of the game far exceeds that of anyone, and everyone here.

I have read several posts over there about how Druids can be good tanks, especially when turning themselves in to bears after giving themselves some good buffs.

But if take two characters, one a spellcaster, one a fighter, both fully supplied and of equal level, the fighter will make it through a cave quest solo much more easily than a spellcaster.

Above all of them though has to be the rogue. I was taking my lvl 11 rogue through nasty caves a few levels higher than me, and I was reaching the end by hiding in shadows and walking past a lot of the monsters. :lol:


I got my mage up to lvl 11 yesterday. And I wasn't power leveling at all. I'm really enjoying the heck out of this game again, because I'm playing it differently. Instead of worrying about getting quests, or completing quests, or grouping for quests, I just kinda walk around, looking for either a good battle, or for someone in need.

Yesterday I must have saved at least 3-dozen people from certain death by lending a hand when they'd get overwhelmed. I even went through the same cave, that I'd finished previously, several more times just to act as an escort for players several levels below me. I'm constantly casting buffs onto anyone and everyone. In turn I'm getting a lot of buffs cast onto me by Paladins, Priests, Warlocks, etc.

With my rogue, I was only interested in doing things that benefited me, which primarily consisted of completing as many quests as quickly as possible. With my mage I'm mostly interested in helping others do whatever it is they're doing when I come across them, even totally ignoring any of my own open quests or such. As a result, I'm having A LOT more fun playing this game now.

And I'm noticing that I'm not the only one doing this. I've run into a lot of people who will stop what they're doing just to help out myself or others. Any stigmas that MMOGs are filled with juvenile jerks who have fun by causing grief for others should NOT apply to WoW. It's amazing how cool most everyone there is.

Sooo.... enjoying my new role as an altruistic mage is a great deal more fun than my role as a self-serving rogue. I think I'll keep this game around a while longer.

:wink:

[Rafal Dudek]

I think the biggest problem you'll find with mages are that they draw alot of aggro from mobs. I've teamed up with a mage a time or two and watched the entire mob ignore every other party member and make a beline for the mage.

It's almost as if a talk bubble appears over their heads....
"Oh, a frail little mage. Let's see if it squeals when you crush it."
:lol:


because the mage newbies in WoW didnt learn about agro control so I say let em get beat up!

In DAoC, if you didnt learn agro upon your first death in group, dont play the mage class =]

If you're a mage in a group, dont start blasting away at mobs when combat starts. Wait for the tank to make at least 2-3 hits on the mob before you start nuking away.

Okay, let's give credit where credit is due for a second here. First, I've been around a forum or two in my time. I'm pretty gosh darn good at differentiating between the foolish and the reasonable when reading through threads.

Second, there are a fair number of people on the official forums who've been with this game since beta first opened and who now have extremely high level characters..... several characters.

Not quite. MMORPG forums are different. Yes there are some pople who might help you with something but most of the people on the forums are there for a reason... something needs nerfing or fixing and you'll constantly hear the cry about it even if in game when you play that something, it seems fine.

I learned of this a long time ago, thats why I never go on any official MMORPG forums =P

[Gaim Mastr]

That's just overly simplistic, Zedd.

Just because a large number of people discuss the pros and cons of something doesn't make them wrong, uneducated, trolls or people whose only lot in life is to whine about stuff.

When I wanted to read a lot about the various aspects, pros and cons of the mage class, I went to the official forum, and learned a lot by doing it.


I learned of this a long time ago, thats why I never go on any official MMORPG forums =P

Pardon my frankness, but I prefer to take forum critique from people who actually visit them. :p:

Although this is only my second MMOG, I've been visiting the official forums for those types of games for several years straight now. Even asked for a member here to let me use their password to get onto the SWG forums, just so that I could look around and see what the paying customers were saying about various aspects of the game. Of course, I've never owned SWG, and likely won't ever buy it.

You can over-generalize and condemn the WoW forums as being useless if you want to. That's entirely up to you. For me, I will continue to view those forums off and on until I no longer find them to be redeeming enough for my time. But then again, that's my stance on all message boards on the Internet.

[Bruenor]

What Raf said. I've been around forums a long time too, but I learned very, very quickly with this game that MMORPG forums are a totally different beast (just like the hardcore MMO player is a very different beast than your standard PC Gamer) and other than the server discussions (for events, etc.) I stay far, far away from them. Hell there was even articles blasting MMO forums for the unwarranted whining taking place on various official game forums in a recent Computer Game Magazine, it just not a great place to go for your info. You're still better off visiting places like here for real feedback on games like EQ2, WoW, etc. from the vets here like Raf and Donjo.

However, I am glad to see you're enjoying the game again. The key to this game (and any MMO I would imagine) is finding the play style you enjoy and are comfortable with. You may have found yours. Some people like grinding, some people like exploring, some questing, etc. The great thing about WoW is that is doesn't force the grind on you too harshly, allowing you to do other stuff yet still enjoy the game.

And stay away from those official forums for your information will ya.

[Drewby]

Hehe! I'll stay out of the debate!

I just wanted to pop in and mention that I have changed my character. I got rid of the Human Paladin and opted for (you guessed it!) a Night Elf Hunter and I am having so much fun already.

I haven't ventured out of NE lands yet and I have only exlored about half of the continent, but I listed all of you guys and I'm sure I'll run into someone sooner or later. :thumbup:

[Fzoulcmbyl]

Glad to see your having fun with it again Gaim, of course you could make the argument that you were playing your Rogue character "Literally" right?

If you need any stuff I can make some very nice cloth armor now. Some pieces require light leather and wool, so if you come across that, save it for me. I can also help you in Westfall, or Loch Modan if you are starting to do quests there.

Don't forget to relax by the lake, and do some fishing and cooking.

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Fzoul

[Bruenor]

Glad to see your having fun with it again Gaim, of course you could make the argument that you were playing your Rogue character "Literally" right?

If you need any stuff I can make some very nice cloth armor now. Some pieces require light leather and wool, so if you come across that, save it for me. I can also help you in Westfall, or Loch Modan if you are starting to do quests there.

Don't forget to relax by the lake, and do some fishing and cooking.

:thumbup:



Fzoul


Which character do I send the wool and leather to Fzoul? I keep getting tons of wool and I've made so many wool bandages now that I could spare some if you need.

[Ojnod]

because the mage newbies in WoW didnt learn about agro control so I say let em get beat up!

In DAoC, if you didnt learn agro upon your first death in group, dont play the mage class =]

If you're a mage in a group, dont start blasting away at mobs when combat starts. Wait for the tank to make at least 2-3 hits on the mob before you start nuking away.


The same thing happens in EQ2. I played a healer class and I learned very early not to cast too soon. The problem is when you are playing and it is the tank that doesn't know how to keep his hate up. Next thing you would know stuff would be on other people in the group, I would have to heal them, building up more hate for myself. Next thing you know I was dead and getting yelled at by the group for not keeping them alive. Other times our tank would start attacking but never do any skills to bring their hate up and I would get aggro on my 2nd ward/heal, again I would get yelled at for not waiting long enough to cast, even though any real tank would have already been taunting the creature.

This started to go away once I got in my 20's because the noobs either learned the hard way, or played too slow to get that high.



P.S. I quit EQ2 and went back to SWG. Looking for a group everytime you log on is a pain. You can't fight large crowds of creatures unless you are grouped, so the only way to solo is to look for things that aren't in a group, which also gets to be a pain. I really liked the EQ2 world, the quests, and pretty much everything about the game. I just didn't like having to group up ALL the time. Plus the crafting system in EQ2 sucks :p: who wants to pay 15 bucks to play a game where you have to be at the keyboard the whole time hehe.

[Gaim Mastr]

Glad to see your having fun with it again Gaim, of course you could make the argument that you were playing your Rogue character "Literally" right?

That's why I kept making all of those surly, acerbic, off-colored comments when I was the rogue. You didn't think I was like that in real life, did you ?? :lol:



err...... don't answer that. :gun:



Now that I'm more on the altruistic side with my mage, I have to come up with a different personality for him. I like buying snowballs, and on the rare occasion when someone begs for money I tell them, "Here, let me give you this.", and promptly blast them. :lol: Or taking the snowballs into newbie caves and nailing some lvl 4 guy and then run around the corner before he knows what in the hell just happened. Then peeking around the corner to see them standing there looking around trying to figure out what hit them and what damage, if any it did to them. :lol3:

For those who don't know, snowballs never do any damage, they just explode in a small puff of snow on impact, sometimes knocking the person down for half a second.

Hey, I may be a charitable and friendly mage, but I'm always up for a good joke on someone too. :D:

[Chylde Roland]

hehe... I love the snowballs, I think I'm going to buy some more and see what happens when you hit a mob with one.

I have to go croc and bear taming today (Stripe's ready to learn new skills) so I'll be off to Menethil then Ashenvale. I hear Ashenvale is very clos to horder territory, so I may go exploring a bit, too. :scared:

[SupaTroopa]

I've got a hankerin' to do some group quests or something...too bad there's not guild quests in this game (that I know of). I'm getting burned out a bit on solo'ing and need to do something different for a while.

Lvl 18 druid night elf I am chillin' in Auberdine currently. I have griffin paths to Ironforge currently and know how to get to Stormwind as well and the surrounding areas close to there.

I won't be on til tonight and tomorrow night - but, if anyone needs help at any level just post here or send me an in-game mail or tell or something.

[Bruenor]

I'll give you a shout Supa.

Last night there was quite a party of guild members in Loch Modan as most of us had one or more reasons to visit the Ogres. There was six of us guild members in total and it was a complete blast. I'm eagerly awaiting the screenshot Donag took of us burning tail out of there with every ogre in the area on our tail (only 2 out of the 6 of us made it out to safety the first time, Dally and myself, but I've got a lot of practice in running away :wink: )

Then to show off to the other 3 guild members still around my wife (Canasmira) kicked my butt in a duel on the bridge. :blush: Finally, I grouped with Vilya who gave me a lesson in dying repeatedly, I went way over my head with his quest.

Needless to say Supa, I'm always up for grouping with any guild members. I don't care if I can't do the quest, if I've done it already, etc. It's just fun getting together and helping someone out for me.

ps The human jokes are fantastic. The joke that plays on the LoTR movies had me almost falling out of my chair and cola coming out of my nose.