KANE & LYNCH DEADMEN

[gridiron whirlwind]

Well, I am on to another game...It is Kane & Lynch

It is still early on in the game, but so far it seems pretty good.....alot of action....good story....definitly rated mature as the game throws the "F" word around quite abit....but it seems like you would hear it alot under the storyline and circumstances :p: . The graphics are not anything special, but so far the action has more than made up for that.

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[V1RUS]

I'm glad you are enjoying the game. Personally, I'll never try it just because of the whole getting the reviewer fired because he gave it a low score fiasco.

[gridiron whirlwind]

I'm glad you are enjoying the game. Personally, I'll never try it just because of the whole getting the reviewer fired because he gave it a low score fiasco.

I knew nothing about that.

I am really enjoying the game so far. In my opinion it is way better than Lost Planet....it has some great one liners in it, and the characters are at times pretty funny....especially Lynch :yes:

Here are a few more screenies.

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[Eddie Ismail]

I'm with Virus on this one, I had that game on my wish list, even with the so-so reviews, but after what happened with GameSpot, I will not touch a game that is published by Eidos.

[chip5541]

The game is enjoyable.


For those that complain about Eidos you are aware that the sales team was let go, right? Besides, I wonder how many gamers have actually played the game would agree with the review?

[V1RUS]

you are aware that the sales team was let go, right?

No, I wasn't. But that hardly makes up for the damage done to consumer confidence and the intergrity of all the reviewers in the industry.

[chip5541]

The way I see it is that everything has been the decision of GS. Every business get complaints from people and other businesses however the final decision was that of GameSpot not a sales department of another company. Heck, we don't even know the full story of what happened so people saying they would not buy a game from Eidos because of this is nothing more than people listening to rumors and speculation and going off half-cocked.

[gorilla325]

don't care about any of that, if the game is fun, the game is fun. should not suffer from the rep of its publisher.

[gridiron whirlwind]

Well, I am far enough into the game now, that I am going to HIGHLY recommend this game to anyone who likes action shooters, and there is plenty of action. The graphics may not be nothing next generation...but the story is there....the voice acting is there and the bottom line is the game is just FUN.

Like I said, do not get this if you don't like the "F" word....because it gets thrown around at a very rapid pace! The whole story and atmosphere of the game makes it acceptable to me....but maybe NOT to everyone.

There is no quick save in the game, but the auto saves works very well in this game, and thats more than I can say for Lost Planet!

I am not aware or up to date about the firing of a guy who gave a bad review and all of that stuff...so I really can not comment on that.....I am having so much fun with the game, that I am glad I have no knowledge of that stuff to be honest.

I can not stop playing the game...just plain SHOOTER FUN TO ME :D:

I would actually like to find another game like this, because I don't want this one to end.

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[chip5541]

Have you tried the MP matches?

[gridiron whirlwind]

Have you tried the MP matches?

No, I have not tried the MP......but I am for the most part just a SP campaign kind of person I guess.

[V1RUS]

don't care about any of that, if the game is fun, the game is fun. should not suffer from the rep of its publisher.

Great outlook. By that standard, bacon tastes good so eat nothing but, Hummers look cool so nevermind your carbon footprint, and you can get an under-aged bride so join the FLDS.


The way I see it is that everything has been the decision of GS

Eidos shares the blame for their underhanded tactics. It was their decision to behave without integrity.

we don't even know the full story of what happened so people saying they would not buy a game from Eidos because of this is nothing more than people listening to rumors and speculation and going off half-cocked.

Perhaps you haven't been paying attention, but the story is pretty clear. It's not rumors and speculation, and a lot of people have based their decision to boycott Eidos fully cocked, thank you very much.

[chip5541]

what underhanded tactics? It is not like Eidos said we don't like the review so fire the reviewer. If your litness test is that if a compnay complains about a review of their product should be boycotted then I guess you don't have many games. Behaving without integrity? besides how do you know this; how is it a lack of integrity if you stand up for you product? Someone calls your (mom, dad, family, friend.. you pick) a name and tells everyone, are you just going to walk away or are you going to defend them?
Considering that legally neither Gerstmann nor GS can give details to his firing then everything you read on the internet should be suspect. Eidos has several very good games in the pipe (K&L2, Tomb Raider and Battlestations: Pacific) and I hope that if thread is created on these games (eps B:P :wink: ) that people don't come in a derail teh thread with this dead story. Either way I have said my peace so I am done. How about we ressurect the old GS thread instead of derailing this one. This thread should be about teh game not a old issue that has long since been done with and debated to death.
The important thing is the game and if someone enjoys the game then good. Sooooo, back on topic: I actually liked this game. If I had to nitpick one thing I would change is that on occassion your view would be blocked by a NPC.

[Joe Cool]

Nice pics GW. I played the demo and thought it was pretty nice game. I might pick it up when my exams are finished... if its cheap.

One gripe, the demo did not suport wide screen does the full game?

[gridiron whirlwind]

Nice pics GW. I played the demo and thought it was pretty nice game. I might pick it up when my exams are finished... if its cheap.

One gripe, the demo did not suport wide screen does the full game?

Yes, the full game does support widescreen as I am running it at 1680X1050

[Joe Cool]

Nice one! I think I'll get it as a present to myself when my exams are over. Roll on the 15th!!

[Rob]

You might as well stop playing games then if you think Eidos is the only one to have done this. Exclusive reviews in magazines have happened since the beginning. Advertisments have been there since the beginning. To suddenly point out one company and say shame on you and ignoring the rest is going off half cocked. How did Eidos behave any differently then all the other companies who do ads or go for exclusives? Gamespot hired a new head honcho who screwed the pooch. This was Gamespot, not Eidos.

Great outlook. By that standard, bacon tastes good so eat nothing but, Hummers look cool so nevermind your carbon footprint, and you can get an under-aged bride so join the FLDS. How dumb do you think people are? Playing a game because some online gaming website screws up has nothing to do with sleeping with underaged girls. Come on, be realistic here.

[gorilla325]

just like chip said, you can guess and keep the guessing work as faith. simply put, if they don't produce fun games, no matter what kind of strong man tactics they use will do them any good. but if they do produce fun games, then, i am sorry, consumer only follow fun games, no matter the corruption in the industry.

[V1RUS]

what underhanded tactics? It is not like Eidos said we don't like the review so fire the reviewer.
Yes, that's exactly what happened. Everybody suffers when a company's marketing arm excerts pressure on an another company's review team. It is reprehensible and should be condemned.

If your litness test is that if a compnay complains about a review of their product should be boycotted then I guess you don't have many games.
Nice of you to worry about my collection, but I do ok, thank you.

Someone calls your (mom, dad, family, friend.. you pick) a name and tells everyone, are you just going to walk away or are you going to defend them?
I am going to walk away. They can say whatever they want.

Eidos has several very good games in the pipe
How do you know they're good if they're not out yet?

don't come in a derail teh thread with this dead story
Just because young people of the internet age have the attention span of a gnat doesn't mean a story with far reaching impact is dead.

How dumb do you think people are? Playing a game because some online gaming website screws up has nothing to do with sleeping with underaged girls. Come on, be realistic here.
On the contrary, I think people are bright enough to understand an exaggeration meant to convey a point.

consumer only follow fun games, no matter the corruption in the industry.
This is a sad testament to the greater indiffirence of society that has caused a great deal of harm throughout human history. The pursuit of instant gratification regardless of the associated issues at stake has rarely served man well.

[Rob]

Your exaggeration is so far off the deep end about a game that it doesn't convey a point, it borders on lunacy.

My point to the whole thing is you are attacking one company, but letting the rest off the hook. It was Gamespot who took the advertising dollars in exchange for a good review. It was the new Gamespot manager who decided to let his reviewer go for not doing what he was supposed to do, lie. But this has happened from day one with exclusive reviews. When is the last time you read an exclusive review only to have the game panned? Daikatana maybe?

The people who made the game have nothing to do with the people selling the game. Some are able to seperate the two and enjoy a game. I fail to see how this falls into a greater indifference that causes harm throughout human history. If so, then we should boycott all consumer products.

The pictures look good by the way.

[gorilla325]

quote----This is a sad testament to the greater indiffirence of society that has caused a great deal of harm throughout human history. The pursuit of instant gratification regardless of the associated issues at stake has rarely served man well.


this is a sad testament to the many modern people. they wrapped themselves up in their own faith and believe. they forgot to enjoy the things as things. games are just games. if it's something else, maybe talking about higher purpose would have some meaning. games, enjoy it. of course, if you enjoy bashing game companies, i have no other words.

[Joe Cool]

The lads are right. Virus, let it go, move on mate.

Personly I could not give too hoots about some guy getting fired, or whatever. Dont know him, never will. And I deffo wont be thinking about his sorry, social welfare drawing ass when I'm poping caps into cops heads in Kane and Lunch!

[V1RUS]

it borders on lunacy.
The only lunacy here is the ill-considered willingness to turn a blind eye to the patent corruption of a company (which legally and morally is a single entity, regardless of the separation of internal divisions) based on the assumption that others engage in the same acts of ethical lapse. Irresponsible consumer volition to keep such transgressors free from accountability harms the independent review process and the hobby as a whole. It is unfortunate that so many gamers apparently choose ignorance of the greater industry and short term gratification to the detriment of their own future apprisal and enjoyment of their games.

I fail to see how this falls into a greater indifference that causes harm throughout human history
Your failure in this area should not discourage you from attempting to understand concepts in the future. There is always a chance that for you it may be a matter of practice rather than a function of your faculty for grasping complex arguments.

If so, then we should boycott all consumer products.
A wonderful example of a slippery slope logical fallacy presented hand in hand with a straw man fallacy. Let's see how many more errors in logic we can throw in there.

[Rob]

I understand complex arguments just fine thank you.

I do not believe the blame rests on the game or its developers. What happened falls on Gamespot for putting themselves in that position. And no, we have no answer on what Eidos involvement was because it has never been stated. All that has been stated, over and over, was the new boss making drastic changes and putting the fear in the reviewers for MANY companies, not just Eidos. And no where did Eidos force Gamespot into the position. Gamespot did this.

A wonderful example of a slippery slope logical fallacy presented hand in hand with a straw man fallacy. Let's see how many more errors in logic we can throw in there. I am sorry, I just thought people are bright enough to understand an exaggeration meant to convey a point. Seems we lost that in just a few short posts. However, you do keep stating we should not turn a blind eye, and I do agree with this to an extent, but why just this one company when this happens all the time?

[gridiron whirlwind]

Virus....I am fine with it, if you dont want to play the game.....but this thread is not about that.......You have made your point about you don't want to play the game....fine.....now move on please.

I think the game is much fun....alot better than many of the games I have played.....I can make my own decision about the game and don't need a review from gamespot anyway. I mean that is just one person's view about the game anyway....reviewing a game is far from rocket science....some people may like it....some may not

I would really appreciate if you could just drop it......Thank you.

[Rob]

So what is the game about anyway? Kind of a spy vs. spy sort of thing?

[Joe Cool]

No man! Its about revenge!

[gridiron whirlwind]

So what is the game about anyway? Kind of a spy vs. spy sort of thing?

Like Joe Cool said....it is about revenge.

A couple of guys are in prison and they are on death row. Kane was found guilty for manslaughter of 25 Venezuelan citizens, as he was in a powerful clan of mercanaries, known as THE 7. Kane was the only survivor from the mercenarie group and it was rumored that he escaped with alot of loot.
when he was arrested, the loot was never found.
Kane's son died at the age of 2, when he got ahold of Kane's service gun...Kane's wife blamed Kane and left him. Kane also has a daughter and has not seen her since she was 5 years old.
So you can imagine what all runs thru Kane's mind.

Lynch was on death row for the murder of his wife.
Lynch laid claim in an interview saying that he admitted to murdering his wife on the advice of his lawyer, but said he was innocent. He represented himself as being the perfect husband. It was pointed out to him that that story did not coincide with the crimes that he committed too. He responded excitedly and forcefully that he had given his wife everything......"including the occasional beating"
Lynch displays all the signs of a schizophrenic, and he is considered highly dangerous.
As you can imagine Lynch has some great one liners....he also has no damn patience at all...lol....i guess you could call him a medicated psychopath

Anyway....now you kind of get the picture :p:

[chip5541]

Talk about patience... see what happens when Lynch sees people who have been shot but haven't died.

[gridiron whirlwind]

Talk about patience... see what happens when Lynch sees people who have been shot but haven't died.

Yes, exactly..That is funny stuff.

The first time i saw Lynch do that, i was like....good lord....you need more medication!

[OldsterHolster]

Well, I've found the gold in Call of Juarez, so there can't be too much game left. I think you guys have just about talked me into Kane & Lynch next. It sounds like my kind of game, and I don't give a damn about whatever the controversy is that is being talked about. If you say the checkpoint-save format is done well and there is not too much repeating yourself, then I can live without a quicksave feature. Edward.

[gridiron whirlwind]

Well, I've found the gold in Call of Juarez, so there can't be too much game left. I think you guys have just about talked me into Kane & Lynch next. It sounds like my kind of game, and I don't give a damn about whatever the controversy is that is being talked about. If you say the checkpoint-save format is done well and there is not too much repeating yourself, then I can live without a quicksave feature. Edward.

The checkpoints have been very easy Edward, I have only replayed a couple of spots, nothing like Lost Planet. :):

You will really get a kick out of Lynch :p:

The game has some faults, but the fun factor WAY over rides those.

Oh....and how did you like the bunny rabbit hunting with a bow and arrow in Call Of Juarez?

[OldsterHolster]

Oh....and how did you like the bunny rabbit hunting with a bow and arrow in Call Of Juarez?

Heh, heh. It wasn't too hard once you actually found the little suckers. I didn't listen to the Indian and use his horse, so I spent a lot of time on foot getting to where they were, but once I flushed them out of hiding, shooting them wasn't too bad. I'll admit it took me a little while to get all three, but I didn't mind.

I had a little more trouble getting to the Eagle's nest to get the feather. The climbing part was OK, but I only had "1" health, and that damned Eagle kept doing me in with his attacks until I finally reached some health, further up.

I probably had more trouble with the stagecoach chase than either of those levels, though. Shooting from horseback at bad guys also on horses was a challenge. I kept driving my horse into canyon walls while concentrating on aiming my gun. Heh, heh. Poor horse had bumps all over his head. lol.

Its been fun, though, although I think Gun is really a better game, and I've enjoyed having a decent story to go with the shooting. I'll definitely continue to pay attention to the games you play and comment on, since we seem to have similar tastes in shooters. Thanks for your in-depth posts and screenshots. I wish more members would do the same, even if might be games of other genres.

I ordered Kane and Lynch last night from GoGamers for $19, so it should be here just about the time I finish up Juarez. Edward.
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[gridiron whirlwind]

Thanks for the kind words Edward.

I only had trouble in a couple of spots so far in Kane & Lynch....once was early on when I had to be sneaky, and the other was in a night club, but I figured them out before to awful long.

I am glad you had fun with Call Of Juarez.....I have Gun and I am going to play it when I am needing a shooter fix, especially since you don't see many western themed games.


FINAL IMPRESSIONS on Kane & Lynch

Well, i finally finished the game and I had great fun.

This was a pretty decent game for a port over from console....I only wish when they port stuff over that they put a quick save in for us pc gamers....I can't believe it would be that hard to do. This game used the autosaves better than other games I have played, but a couple of times I had to go thru a cutscene again to replay a part of the game.

The game was very fun, with a great story and good voice acting and characters. It really never got repetitive for me and the shooting was much fun, even thou there was not alot of weapons, and I was not very consistant with the grenades. The graphics are average by today's standards. It is a third person shooter and not a first person shooter. The game has two different endings,something that has become more common than in the past, and I do like that.
It uses a automatic cover system that works fairly well, but not without some flaws. That is when you are close to something, you automatically take cover....the main problem with this was, at times,when you were crouching undercover that your bullets would hit whatever you were using for cover and not your target....you kind of had to move just abit at times. you could use the blind fire, where you just stick your gun around your cover and let er fly! I liked that.

If this game would have been alittle more polished, to clean up the small, but sometimes annoying things, it would have been AWSOME!

As it is...it was still a very enjoyable game for me....I really liked it.

If anyone knows of a game similar to this, let me know, as I would be very interested in playing it sometime :):

[OldsterHolster]

Yikes! I don't know, gridiron. I finished Call of Juarez and loaded up Kane and Lynch, but it doesn't play right. It's clunky and jerky and my aiming dot moves in spasms. I usually don't mind third-person views, but the characters don't even turn around when you look in a different direction. I even lowered all the settings, and the damned thing still doesn't smooth out. I haven't tried disabling SLI or anything, but I just don't believe it's my computer, and I may just set this one aside.

Aside from the jerky mouse response, some of the enemies will take a whole clip to the head and just shake it off. Gimme a break! Maybe I'm just spoiled, but I expect a lot more class from a game, these days. All that Windows Live sign in crap, and the lack of a quicksave, might just land this one in the reject pile. Edward.

[gridiron whirlwind]

Yikes! I don't know, gridiron. I finished Call of Juarez and loaded up Kane and Lynch, but it doesn't play right. It's clunky and jerky and my aiming dot moves in spasms. I usually don't mind third-person views, but the characters don't even turn around when you look in a different direction. I even lowered all the settings, and the damned thing still doesn't smooth out. I haven't tried disabling SLI or anything, but I just don't believe it's my computer, and I may just set this one aside.

Aside from the jerky mouse response, some of the enemies will take a whole clip to the head and just shake it off. Gimme a break! Maybe I'm just spoiled, but I expect a lot more class from a game, these days. All that Windows Live sign in crap, and the lack of a quicksave, might just land this one in the reject pile. Edward.

Wow,,,,sorry to hear that Edward, I did not experience any jerky mouse response, and i dont recall the enemies taking a whole clip {they do in SoF 3}

I am really sorry to hear of those troubles Edward, if I would have experienced anything like that, I would not have recommended the game.

[OldsterHolster]

Well, maybe it's going to get a repreive. I turned off SLI, and it plays OK, now. I turned all the settings back up, and my mouse is smooth, so I guess I'll continue playing it.

It still feels clunky, and half the time I can't find my aiming dot, but there is a lot of action. The ineffective weapons seem to be heavily dependant on distance, I've found, and some enemies just can't be killed from past a certain distance.

The game does have it's moments, and, like I said, there's plenty of action, so I'm going to go ahead and play it now that it plays smoothly. Edward.

[gridiron whirlwind]

Well, maybe it's going to get a repreive. I turned off SLI, and it plays OK, now. I turned all the settings back up, and my mouse is smooth, so I guess I'll continue playing it.

It still feels clunky, and half the time I can't find my aiming dot, but there is a lot of action. The ineffective weapons seem to be heavily dependant on distance, I've found, and some enemies just can't be killed from past a certain distance.

The game does have it's moments, and, like I said, there's plenty of action, so I'm going to go ahead and play it now that it plays smoothly. Edward.

I am glad to hear that Edward....I know what you mean by clunky....I call that the "consoley feeling"....I hate that about port overs....it has some other annoying bugs also, but I guess the fun just sort of out weighed the bad, so to speak.

[chip5541]

Visiting Target yesterday I noticed they had several games marked down with K&L down to $39.99

[OldsterHolster]

I paid $19.95 for it from GoGamer.com with $2+ dirt-cheap shipping, so it was under $23 total. Edward.

[chip5541]

That is a good deal. :thumbup:

[OldsterHolster]

OK, a little slow, but I finished it, too. It wasn't bad, once I got used to it, and I'll have to say that there was a lot of shooting, so it kept me occupied. Unlike gridiron, I thought the story was just OK and pretty common fare, but at least it had a story. I'm just old and weird, probably, but I get tired of dark themes and psychotic, hopeless, despairing, characters; and the endings always suck. I prefer to shoot the monsters or robots, or Nazis, and then everybody lives happily ever after, you know? Heh, heh.

Oh well, can't have everything, right? Gridiron pretty much covered everything well, but I'll reiterate a little on the gameplay and physics of the game. I normally like third-person view games almost as much as first-person view, if it's done well, but I didn't care for the way it is done in this game. As he mentioned, the character would take cover on his own, sometimes, changing my view and often leaving me a little confused and lost for a second or two. Sometimes I couldn't even look around if there was another character standing close, and the overall feeling was that I wasn't in complete control of my character a lot of the time. It wasn't that big a deal, but I sure noticed that I had seen it done much better in other games.

Like gridiron, I could never get the grenades to be very effective, and the bullet trajectories sometimes made me laugh. If you were too far off from your target, the bullets swerved off in all directions and reminded me of my Daisy BB gun I had when I was kid. lol. Headshots didn't seem to count for much, either. Hitting the bad guys right in the middle of their armored vests killed them just as fast, it seemed. Again, no big deal, but it just wasn't as polished a shooter as I'm used to, these days.

All in all, it was probably worth the $23 I spent on it, but it could have been a lot better. The lack of a quicksave just added to that feeling. I've seen worse checkpoint-save games, but, with my skill level, (or lack thereof) I did have to replay a lot of sub-levels, and that is just a pain in the ass, always. Sometimes, as gridiron mentioned, they wouldn't let you skip a cutscene, either, which just wasted more time.

I've never played a console game, so I try to stay out of those discussions, but, if this game has a "consoley" feel, as gridiron suggests, then I'm glad I prefer PC games. It was like a whole lot of little things were just a little "off." I had fun with it, nevertheless, and there were some pretty good battles, but I doubt that I'll go back and play it again.

Frontlines-Fuel of War is ordered, so it will be next. Have a great week, everyone. Edward.